ST Report: 30-Mar-90 #413
From: Phillip M. Chow (aa400@cleveland.Freenet.Edu)
Date: 04/11/90-11:38:59 PM Z
From: aa400@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Phillip M. Chow)
Subject: ST Report: 30-Mar-90 #413
Date: Wed Apr 11 23:38:59 1990
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> 03/30/90: CPU Newswire? #413 The Original 16/32 bit Online Magazine!
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- The Editor's Podium - CPU REPORT - CPU STATUS REPORT
- DR. DOOM review - PCD2 YIKES! - USENET Info
- Tracker/ST Debuts - DynaCADD p IX - CPU CONFIDENTIAL
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> The Editor's Podium?
This weekend is the TAF show in Toronto. Bob Brodie will be there to
meet and greet all present at this show. The show will include
demonstrations of ISD's fine line up of great software like Calamus,
DynaCADD and Outline. Also, it is rumored that Nathan will have
"autograph" editions of the new Guide to Calamus Desk Top Publishing book
available.
With the frivolity of "showtime" in air, one can't help but wonder
what Atari is really "up to" in the US market and ..if in fact, Jack will
return to alter the course of action Atari will take in the USA. By all
indications Atari needs a definite plan of action in the states, at the
rate they are going, they are with a doubt the best thing that ever
happened for Apple, Amiga and IBM. Why? It seems they are sending their
loyal followers to the competition in droves. This must stop and stop
soon.
Ralph.....
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> CPU REPORT?
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Issue # 60
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by Michael Arthur
Remember When....
In 1981, Apple responded to IBM's introduction of the IBM PC by a
Wall Street Ad saying, "Welcome, IBM. Seriously.", and how in February
1983, after IBM had taken more than half of Apple's market share in the
computer industry, Apple said it had developed the $10,000 Lisa computer
to, "make IBM say, 'We've gotta respond to that.' "?
CPU INSIGHTS?
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Industry Slowdowns, Recessions, and the Computer Industry
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For 4 years, the computer industry has enjoyed a tremendous rate of
expansion. Within this time, the low-end microcomputer market has
declined in the list of priorities for many computer companies (most
notably Apple), the Graphical User Interface grew from obscurity to
popularity, and several innovations, including Postscript, Unix, Local
Area Networks, the Federated stores, and RISC (or Reduced Instruction Set
Chip) processors, climbed to the forefront of the computer industry. While
nothing ever lasts, many people were surprised when signs of an industry
slowdown, such as decreased sales by many large computer companies such as
IBM, DEC, and Apple, began to appear in Late 1989.
The Gardner Group, a consulting firm specializing in researching
trends in the computer industry, recently published findings from 216
publicly held companies involved in the telecommunications, electronics,
and computer industries. Interestingly, the Gardner Group found that
while in the Fourth Quarter of 1988, US Computer Companies reported sales
growth of 10.7 percent, those same companies' registered revenue growth
rates of only 5 percent for the Fourth Quarter of 1989.
The Gardner Group also found that in this same period, net margins
for mainframe and minicomputer vendors sank from 6-10 percent to 3.4 - 3.7
percent, two record lows for these markets. While this may seem to
indicate a growing popularity in microcomputers, it seems that the revenue
growth rate for Desktop Computers in 1989 dropped to 17.5 percent. In
1988, sales were up by 25 percent. Also, revenue growth in computer
software sales, which normally hover around 20 percent, also declined to
6.2 percent in the Fourth Quarter of 1989. However, while all of these
signs would tend to indicate a slowdown in the computer industry, it would
be wise to note that these declines could easily be temporary. And given
the sometimes chaotic state of the computer industry....
CPU Addendum
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CPU MacNews I: Apple II Push, Mac IIfx, SCSI/DMA
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Part of this article, appearing in CPU Report Issue 59, described
part of the innovations found in both the recently introduced Mac IIfx,
and in several of the other products Apple announced with it, such as
their new line of Graphics Cards, and A/UX (Apple Unix) 2.0. Here is some
additional information concerning these products:
The Macintosh IIfx uses four custom chips as coprocessors in
handling its I/O functions. Two of these chips control its floppy disk
and serial ports, one is used as a dedicated Controller for its SCSI/DMA
Port, and one is used as a controller for the Apple Desktop Bus (which
controls peripherals like Mac Mice, keyboards, and trackballs). These
chips will provide a considerable boost in the Mac IIfx's I/O handling....
Apple's use of I/O coprocessors, while not unique in the computer
industry, is significant in that until recently, Apple has made its
computers' CPUs handle many functions which (like graphics rendering) are
performed better and faster by coprocessors. For example, until the Mac
SE/30 and Mac IIcx, Apple never even included separate Video RAM as a
buffer for graphics displays.
In efforts to further accomplish this, Apple has introduced the
Macintosh Display Card 8/24 GC, which combines an AMD 29000 RISC chip with
a custom version of 32-Bit QuickDraw to provide a graphics coprocessing
system which is vastly more efficient than before. For example, the
8/24 GC can display 24-bit (16 million color) Mac graphics up to 30 times
faster than was previously possible. Also, the 8/24 GC has built-in
support for Genlocking....
Unfortunately, one major obstacle may be its cost. Here is the
price list for Apple's entire line of Graphics Boards:
- Macintosh Display Card 4/8 (256 Displayable Colors): $700.00
- Mac Display Card 8/24 (16 Million Displayable Colors): $900.00
- Mac DC 8/24 GC (24 Bit Color Display, AMD 29000 Chip): $2000.00
But ponder, if you will, these questions:
1) How would the industry react to Atari introducing the TT030/2 (the
2 Meg Model of the 68030 TT) at a cost of $2500.00, especially given
that similarly powered 68030-based machines cost 2-3 times as much?
2) In part of Xerox's lawsuit against Apple, Xerox called for Apple's
copyrights on the Mac User Interface to be invalidated. Recently,
this aspect of their suit was dismissed in Court. What are the
implications of this, given that this was an important part of Xerox'
lawsuit?
3) If Atari simply rented, leased, or built another manufacturing plant
in which to manufacture their products, how would it help them to
provide (and sell) enough product to meet any possible demand caused
by any decent Advertising and Marketing Efforts?
> CPU STATUS REPORT? >>> LATE BREAKING, INDUSTRY WIDE NEWS <<<
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Minneapolis, MA MONITERM CORP. REPORTS DRASTIC SALES DECLINE
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Moniterm Corporation, maker of the Viking monochrome display systems
available for the Atari ST, Mac, Amiga, and IBM machines, recently
reported a loss of $1.1 million dollars for 1989, compared with positive
earnings of $350,000 in 12988. Also, their sales revenue decreased from
$34.2 million in 1988, to $27.4 million in 1989.
The principal reason for this deficit seems to be a recent slump in
the High Resolution Display industry, as well as increasing competition in
the Macintosh and IBM markets. In reaction to this, the company recently
laid off 20 percent of its employees, and revamped its Sales and Marketing
Divisions. Moniterm also announced that they will be introducing a new
line of high resolution monitors later this Quarter....
Redmond, WA OS/2 2.0 MULTITASKS UP TO 16 "VIRTUAL DOS MACHINES"
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OS/2 2.0 (OS/2 for the 80386 chip) will multitask up to 16 DOS
Compatibility Boxes, which can run as "background" processes. Windows
2.0 and related apps will also run in them. The DOS Compatibility Boxes
emulate DOS 4.0, provide up to 624K of available RAM, and support the LIM
EMS 4.0 expanded memory standard. They will also allow one to use the
clipboard to paste text and graphics between OS/2 PM software, and DOS
applications running in the 'Boxes'. However, asynchronous communcations
in the 'Boxes' will only have a speed of up to 9600 baud....
Microsoft is also developing a "Windows Mapping Layer", to allow
Software companies to port their programs easily from MS Windows to OS/2,
but not support Presentation Manager calls, and only support 16-bit API
calls (or OS/2 1.x operating system calls). Also, ported apps will run
5-10 percent slower than normal....
San Jose, CA INSITE FLOPTICALS MAY BECOME INDUSTRY STANDARD
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The new "Floptical" disk drive technology, as proposed by Insite
Peripherals (its creator), Iomega Corp., and other companies, is being
highly rated by the Micro Standards Committee of the Micro Managers
Association (1-212-341-4237), as a new standard for Very High Density
(VHD) diskettes. This was due to its easy installation (it fits in the
space of traditional 3 1/2 inch drives), storage capacity (20.9 Megs per
disk), and downward compatibility (it can read/write to 720K or 1.44 Meg
3 1/2 inch disk drives)....
In the next step of this process, Insite's "Floptical" disk
technology (which stores data magnetically on servo tracks embedded in
Floptical disks, that are used to optically track that data) may be highly
recommended when the Micro Standards Committee talks to ANSI about setting
up a VHD Standards' Committee....
Errata: CPU MacNews, a segment of CPU Report Issue 59, stated that the
======= Macintosh IIfx's cost was $9000.00 for a system with 2 Megs of
RAM. It seems that this is the actual price listing for the
system configurations of the Mac IIfx:
Macintosh IIfx Price List (without monitor or keyboard)
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- Mac IIfx with 4 Megs of RAM, Disk Drive (Cost: $9000.00)
- Mac IIfx with 4 Megs of RAM, 80 Meg Hard Drive (Cost: $9869.00)
- Mac IIfx with 4 Megs of RAM, 160 Meg Hard Drive (Cost: $11,000.00)
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> DR. DOOM CPU/STR Review? Review of DR. DOOM's REVENGE
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DR. DOOM's REVENGE
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by Oscar Steele
Comic book characters - Batman, to be specific - have become
extremely popular in the past few years. The latest jump from comic books
is THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN AND CAPTAIN AMERICA IN DR. DOOM'S REVENGE. You
alternately play Spider-Man and Captain America in what's billed as an
interactive comic book adventure.
The game packaging includes two disks (single-sided), a comic book, a
coupon, an instruction manual and an Atari ST technical supplement. The
comic book is a standard 16 page variety. The coupon offers a 50%
savings on a 12 issue subscription to your favorite Marvel title - this
saves you $6. If the coupon influences your purchase, you better hurry -
it expires April 1, 1990! The manual is informative and layed-out
nicely. It covers enough information for those who haven't even heard of
Spider-Man; it even includes biographies of the various characters. The
technical supplement covers additional pertinent information. The ST
version contains an additional super-villain. The game is also Hard Disk
installable (it's a life-saver, using floppies I thought I'd die of old
age before I saw the next section). The game is manual copy-protected;
you must answer questions whose answers are in the manual, such as "What
color are Peter Parker's eyes?"
As mentioned earlier, DR. DOOM'S REVENGE is a comic-book adventure.
The player "reads" a comic strip on-screen to a point where he/she takes
control of the action. Gameplay consists of the player alternately
controlling Captain America and Spider-Man. If one of your character's
health points are depleted the game ends. The challenge is to try to
kill all opponents to reach Dr. Doom.
Each superhero has basic commands and special ones (Spider-Man shoots
webs and sticks to walls while Captain America attacks with his shield).
Although the graphics are decent, the scrolling is awful. It's first
grader stuff. In fact, the scrolling is so jerky and annoying that it
becomes distracting. Control of the joystick is sluggish; there's a
small lag from when I moved the joystick to when the character responded.
The game is tremendously easy on the first level - the robots were easily
overcome by either continuously shooting webs or attacking with the
shield. Then, boom, second level became immediately too difficult.
When I first saw this game, I couldn't wait to play it. Once I did, I
discovered that the game's addictiveness is next to nill; its main purpose
in life is as a dust-collector. The main fault is the gameplay. If the
joystick controls, animation and scrolling were significantly improved,
then my interest would have been held at least as long as an average
shoot 'em up. But as it is, Dr. Doom is limited to being a novelty item.
If you're a die-hard comic book advocate, then you might get some kicks
in "being" Spider-Man or Captain America. Getting a limited edition
comic book and six bucks off a subscription is also tempting. At $44.95
it's absolutely overpriced; even at $26.95 (from MICROTYME) I wouldn't
recommend it. Also, I saw a brochure for an X-MEN game coming soon. If
it's released for the ST, I hope they do a better job. Dr. Doom is a bad
application of a good idea.
As a sidebar, I went to a local comic book store to see if the
"Collector's Edition" comic is actually headed to being a classic. The
store's owner told me that it MIGHT be a classic, and it MIGHT even be
worth some money once the game is no longer on the market. However, if
you're counting on becoming rich off of it, don't. Since, the average
comic book is worth about a dollar he'd pay you 50 cents. If you want to
look at acquiring the book purely as an investment, then count on it
being a LONG-TERM investment.
SCORECARD
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Graphics......... 6.7 D+
Sound............ 3.0 F-
Addictiveness.... .5 F-
Documentation.... 8.5 B
Value............ 3.5 F- (based on $26.95 price)
Overall.......... 4.5 F-
Difficulty: Average
Game save : Yes
Retail price: $44.95
MICROTYME's price: $26.95
System Requirements: 520/1040/MEGA ST, Color Monitor, Joystick
Published by:
Medalist
180 Lakefront Dr.
Hunt Valley, MD 21030
(800) 876-1151
Next week I'll be looking at Iron Lord, the latest from UBI SOFT. It's an
"epic adventure/arcade game" in which you play a noble knight whose uncle
seizes the throne and kills the king, who is coincidentally your father.
Please mention STReport when ordering a product you've seen reviewed.
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> Stock Market ~ CPU NewsWire? Watchin' the Scheckles Grow!
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THE TICKERTAPE
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by Michael Arthur
Concept by Glenn Gorman
On Monday, Atari stock went down 3/8 of a point, and dropped another
3/8 of a point on Tuesday. It went up by 1/8 of a point on Wednesday, and
stayed even on Thursday, and went up 1/4 of a point on Friday. Finishing
up the week at 6 3/8 points, Atari stock has gone down 3/4 of a point
since the last report.
Apple Stock was up 2 points from Friday, March 16, 1990.
Commodore Stock was down 1/8 of a point from 3/16/90.
IBM Stock was down 1 5/8 points from 3/16/90.
Stock Report for Week of 3/19/90 to 3/23/90
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STock| Monday | Tuesday | Wednesday | Thursday | Friday |
Reprt|Last Chg.|Last Chg.|Last Chg.|Last Chg.|Last Chg.|
-----|--------------|-----------|-------------|-------------|------------|
Atari|6 1/4 - 1/8| 6 -1/4| 6 ---- |5 5/8 - 3/8|5 5/8 ---- |
| | | | | |
-----|--------------+-----------+-------------+-------------+------------|
CBM |8 7/8 + 1/2|8 5/8 -1/4|8 5/8 ---- |8 3/8 -1/4|8 1/4 -1/8|
| | | | | |
-----|--------------+-----------+-------------+-------------+------------|
Apple|42 3/8 +2 1/8|41 3/8 - 1|41 5/8 +1/4|40 3/4 -7/8|42 1/4 |
| | | | | +1 1/2|
-----|--------------+-----------+-------------+-------------+------------|
IBM | 107 + 3/8| 108 - 1|107 1/4 -3/4|106 1/2 -3/4|105 -1 1/2|
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'Sls' refers to the # of stock shares that were traded that day.
'CBM' refers to Commodore Corporation.
'----' means that the stock's price did not change for the day.
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> PCD2 YIKES! CPU/STR FOCUS? "The phone ain't off the hook!"
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ctsy GEnie Atari ST RT
R.DEAN3 posts;
The below listed programs have been tested and work with PC_Ditto II
v1.01 on a 520ST with 2.5meg AERCO easieST Solderless Ram Expansion using
80ns Drams. External Power Supply, revision H motherboard & TOS 1.4 in
ROM. and a Supra 40 MEG hard drive. All of the programs that I owned were
tested both from floppy and the hard drive. Loaner programs were only
tested from disk.
TITLE DISTRIBUTOR
Calendar Creator Plus v3.01 Power Up
Create a Calendar Epyx
Impossible Mission II Epyx
L.A. Crackdown Epyx
Street Sports Soccer Epyx
Destroyer Epyx
Dive Bomber Epyx
4x4 Off-Road Racing Epyx
Print Magic Epyx
Desk Mate Print Magic Epyx
Techno Cop Epyx
The Games: Winter Edition Epyx (Needs Joystick Support)
Sub Battle Simulator Epyx
Tetris Spectrum Holobyte
Where in the USA is Carmen San Diego Broderbund
Where in the World is Carmen San Diego Broderbund
Rockford Arcadia
VUGIF v1.70 Offe Enterprises
Chuck Yeager's Advance Flight Trainer Electronic Arts
Turbo Tax 1990 v7.01 Chip Soft
Word Perfect Library Word Perfect Corp
Word Perfect 5.1 Word Perfect Corp
Norton's Advanced Utilities 4.5 Peter Norton
Harvard Graphics v2.13 Software Publishing Corp
PFS: Professional Write v1.03 Software Publishing Corp
PFS: First Publisher v2.0 Software Publishing Corp
PFS: First Choice v2.0 Software Publishing Corp
CShow v8.00a Canyon State Systems
ProComm v2.4.3 Data Storm
dBase IV Sampler Ashton Tate
Lotus 123 Release 2.2 Lotus Development Corp
PC Tools Deluxe v5.5 Central Point Software
Le Menu v2.0 Bartel
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The following programs failed on PCD2, but did run on a Motorola
PC01 AT Clone.
CopyIIPC All versions tested Central Point Software
Procomm+ v1.1b Data Storm
SikeKick+ Borland
Memory Mate Broderbund
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For those of you trying to decide whether or not to have your clip
soldered in, DO IT!!!. I just had mine soldered in by a Navy Micro
Miniature Repair Tech and it is GREAT!!! (Best job of soldering I've ever
seen), no more wondering when the clip will slip loose or if PCDII will
boot.
System tests with Norton's SI=4.2
PC Tools =280%
CPUTEST =24.84mhz (PD)
The only problems I have had with any MS-DOS programs that do run is
occasional lockups with Word Perfect 5.1 (Using it now) and screen trash
while CShow boots. The Mouse does work with several programs (WP51/PFS
First PUB/PCTools sometimes) but not with all. I'm configured as serial &
using a cordless mouse. The ONLY NEGATIVE IMPACT having the board
connected to my ST causes when in Atari mode is that Spectrum is blown
away.
A hint for owners of the newer Supra drives, there are 2 button
switches on the bottom of the hard drive which set your SCSI address.
Change to any address other then 0 and PCDII will no longer interfere with
Spectrum! Was it worth the Money & wait? You bet it was!!! Those who
sent their boards back for refunds really made a mistake. Well done
Avante Garde!! Congradulations on another fine product. Keep up the good
work and get us the fixes as soon as ya can. (Sure looking forward to
seeing what other goodies you have in store for us).
K.RICHARDS posts;
to:avantgarde
I just tried checking my voltages on the old rev. A 520st. I have a good
+5 volts coming in from my external power supply. I have discovered that
several of the PCD II 74LS??? chips have no voltage across pins 10-20,
8-16, and 7-14. Chip C9 has < 3 volts, c1 and c8 also have < 3 volts??? Do
I have a board problem?? I disconnected my HD. Configured PCDII to not
use a HD and booted with the PCDII disk with the 1.0001 software. It
still locks up while in ST mode with no messages when I start the PCDII
prg. I haven't replaced my 74ls373's with 74als373 chips yet! What else
voltage wise can I check on the PCD II board to ensure that my PCDII board
has enough volts to run???
Mike
K.BESIG posts;
Boy it's great to finally have a working PCD2! I received my PALS
yesterday and outside of problems with the generic mouse not functioning,
I am real happy with this board. Reguarding the Blitter problems- I
have a 1040 with Blitter added which had to be turned off with the PCD2
board installed. I was able to fix this by adding a TTL buffer to the
Blitter BR output line. I used a 7408 with inputs tied together, but any
non-inverting arrangement should work. Make sure the buffer output is
directed toward the 68000. I'm really not sure what is driving the
blitter crazy, but it seems to be related to the ditto board/cable
termination. Whatever it is, it's a hardware problem- the software fix
that avant-guard is working on won't fix this one.
J.ALLEN27 posts;
I suspect that the internal structure of the blitter has the BR signal
built as an output BUT the actual signal on the pin is fed back into the
chip. If this was true any noise on that line could cause ALL SORTS of
crazyness to happen. That fact that with the blitter active the blitter
enters an "oscillatory" state of BR...BG...BGACK...BR....tells us the
noise on the actual pin can lead to the chip making mistakes. Just
buffering the chip, like with a 7408 is all that's really needed. The
buffer can be installed on the clip and not affect the motherboard at all.
AG should make such a mod "official" and issue instructions for Mega
owners!!!
I.ADAMS posts;
I left E-mail for AG and got no replay on GEnie but got my PCDII by second
day air a couple of days later (the UPS clerk couldn't understand what I
was laughing about until I explained to her that that "2nd day air"
package was ordered in October of last year).
Anyway -- it doesn't work.
I have a 1 meg 520ST-FM with Rev.D motherboard and CPU parallel to the
internal drive. PCDII arrived with the new PALs installed, & I tried it
with both versions of the software. My 74LS373s or whatever don't ever
give me trouble & I don't have the IMP chips. I slopped the Tweak all
over the connector and 68000 and bent the connector pins to where it took
a half-hour of major struggle to force it onto the CPU (prior to making it
that tight I kept getting faulty installation messages). It locked up
every time after pressing RETURN at the Insert DOS prompt. There would be
one drive-stepping sound and then lock-up city. I tried IBM PC-DOS 3.0,
3.2, & 3.3, and all of them worked fine with PCD-I. All locked up PCD-II.
I tried booting in color and in monochrome, with and without the Spectre
GCR cart hooked up, and with all auto & accessories removed, booting from
floppy and from hard drive. Same result every time - lockup on booting
DOS.
I took everything apart & tried a continuity check on the 68000 connector
I get a good solid connection indicated between every pin on the PCDII
connector and every pin on the 68000, as well as with every other point on
the computer motherboard.
The computer works normally whether or not the PCDII board is attached.
So what am I supposed to try next???? I'm not about to solder in
something that gives no indication of working anyway. Unless someone
gives me some good suggestions, this thing goes back in the box and back
to Florida on Tuesday next.
(Even if it did work, it can't fit either inside my computer - for obvious
reasons - or outside it, since the cables are too ly supporting Spectre, I presume that it's not a power supply problem.
DCASTALDI posts;
R.DEAN3: I have been using PROCOMM PLUS v1.1b for two weeks now without a
proplem. What doesn't work with your copy?
p.s. I have the commercial version, not the "test drive" version and the
only thing that doesn't work is using ZCOMM (DSZ.EXE from Chuck Foresberg
of OMEN TECH) as an external protocol. But DSZ.exe doesn't work with my
dad's clone either. Let me know what your problems are.
Dennis Castaldi
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> ON USENET CPU/STR InfoFile? Pertinent Info on transfers
==========================
This short article describes how to submit binaries to the Usenet
newsgroup. A companion article lists all previously-published binaries,
and a third article explains how to retrieve and unpack binaries posted by
others.
I am always looking for suggestions on how to improve the usefulness
of the newsgroup, and can be contacted as listed below.
-- Steven Grimm
koreth@panarthea.ebay.sun.com
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Subject: Submitting binaries for publication
Items intended for posting or queries and problem notes should be sent to
atari-binaries@panarthea.ebay.sun.com. If you are on a UUCP-only site, you
can send them to {backbone}!sun!ebay!panarthea!atari-binaries.
If you're in Europe, you can send binaries to the European submoderator,
Jan-Hinrich Fessel, at unido!atari-binaries (or, if you're a masochist,
atari-binaries@unido.informatik.uni-dortmund.de.) He will test them and
forward them to me. Submitting to him saves net bandwidth, so it's
encouraged.
If you want verification of arrival, so say in a cover note, or at the
beginning of your submission, if it is small. I try to verify that a
program works, and if I can't get it to work, I may hold up posting it
for a couple of days. Please note that, except in rare cases, software
without documentation will not be published. The backlog from receipt
to posting varies from one to four weeks depending mostly on the set
of submissions currently in my queue.
If you are submitting both sources and binaries, PLEASE send the two
separately. If I have to separate your sources from your binaries by
hand, your submission will most likely sit on the back burner for a
while.
Also, as of volume 8, I will only accept binaries packed with an archiver
for which source code is widely available. For the time being, this
pretty much means arc, zoo, and lharc. If you want to use a nifty new
archiver, make the source code available to the public (posting to
comp.sources.atari.st is fine.)
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Subject: The structure of comp.binaries.atari.st articles
Each posting in comp.binaries.atari.st is called an "issue"; there are
roughly 100 issues to a volume. The division is arbitrary and may vary.
There are two types of articles in comp.binaries.atari.st: binaries and
"information postings." They can be distinguished by the subject line:
Subject: v10INF2: Index and other info
This first word in the title identifies this as the third info posting of
volume six. Similarly, the subject line shown below:
Subject: v10i081: ibmboom -- Detonate IBM clones over the network
identifies this as the 81st binary article in Volume 10. Large programs
are broken up into smaller pieces, and have subject lines that look like
this:
Subject: v10i041: slowmand -- The world's slowest fractal system
part04/30
Certain information about the system configuration required to use the
program is given on the keywords line.
Keywords: uuencode, 1meg, medium, high
This means that the program requires at least one meg of RAM and runs in
medium or high resoution. Following is a list of keywords; new ones may
be added as needed. They are mostly self-explanatory.
uuencode - program is uuencoded (UNIX uudecode required to unpack)
uue - program is uuencoded (ST uud required to unpack)
arc - program is archived (arc required to unpack)
zoo - program is a zoo archive (zoo required to unpack)
lharc - program is an lharc archive (lharc required to unpack)
high - high resolution
medium - medium resolution
low - low resolution
1meg - needs 1 meg of RAM
The first few lines of an article are auxiliary headers that look like
this:
Submitted-by: jackt@atari.UUCP (Jack Tramiel)
Posting-number: Volume 10, Issue 80
Archive-name: free
The "Submitted by" is the author of the program. If you have comments
about the binaries published in comp.binaries.atari.st this is the person
to contact. When possible, this address is in domain form, otherwise it
is a UUCP bang path relative to some major (backbone) site.
The "Reply-To:" header line in the article's main header points to the
submitter, to make commenting about binaries easier.
The second line repeats the volume/issue information for the aide of notes
sites and automatic archiving programs.
The Archive-name is the "official" name of this program in the archive.
Large postings will have names that look like this:
Archive-name: desktop/part01
Since most archive sites run UNIX, articles are given UNIX-style filenames
rather than ST-style filenames. I do make an effort to keep filenames to
8 characters or smaller, however.
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> NEW FEATURE! CPU/STR OnLine? A new user participation feature!
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ONLINE SPOTLIGHT
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by Oscar Steele
Hi! Welcome to ST Report's newest weekly column. I'll be reporting
on a number of topics relating to telecommunicating on the major networks
(BIX, Compuserve, Delphi and GEnie). With ST dealers and user groups
scattered about the country, the modem has become an instrumental tool for
ST users to keep in touch and aware of the ST situation. But with
literally hundreds of new messages and files available for downloading,
it's just not possible keep up with EVERYTHING that's happening EVERYWHERE
each week. That's where we come into the picture.
My job is to tell you what's happening, where the action is and who's
involved. This will give you the opportunity to use your time efficiently
and find things that interest you. The hottest downloads will be
discussed. Upcoming events, conferences and news relating to the services
will all be covered.
Please give us some time to get up to speed. It's a big world out
there in telecommunication land. And it'll take us a few weeks to get
caught up and hooked into the daily groove of things. I'd appreciate if
you'd let us know your comments, opinions and suggestions. ST Report has
online sections on the networks where you can leave messages and talk to
the ST Report staff, including myself.
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> DynaCADD 1.7 CPU/STR Review? The conclusion.....
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DynaCadd Vs AutoCad
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by Myles Goddard
This is our last and final installment of our comparison of Dynacadd
and AutoCad. After adding some last minute additions to our box drawing I
will attempt to express my views on both programs.
Let's work on our DynaCadd drawing first and then go on to the
Autocad box. Of course, the first thing we do is click on the
DYNACAD.PRG. After it has finished loading, it will prompt us to start a
new drawing or start where we left off in our last session. Of course, we
will select AUTO. It will load the drawing in with all the attributes
intact and ready to go.
Okay, I can see the box from overhead, or the Z axis. Let's add a
hatch pattern to simulate some insulation. As you probably recall, a
hatch pattern is merely a fill pattern that you control the shape and
size of. The first step is to click on the INSERT icon at the top left
of the screen. Next go to the drop down menu under SET UP. Go to the
option called HATCH PATTERN and click. A smaller window will appear and
display the default hatch pattern. You can use either the left or right
arrows to scroll through the many hatch patterns available. Pick any
pattern and hit OK. Now go to the lower icon pad where you see the icons
for height and width. As you click on each dimension, the calculator will
pop up. Enter your digit, say "4" and hit return. Repeat for the other
dimension , enter "4" and again hit return. Now move down to the icon for
selecting the hatch borders, or select ALL. Hit the mouse button and the
hatch will fill in the area between the lines. Easy, huh? One thing you
will notice on a hatch, is that it takes quite a while to complete and the
more complex the pattern is the longer it takes. My 1040 doesn't have a
math co-processor or accellerator so the hatching does take a while. If
you just want to do a cross section and do not want to take as much time
as with a fill, try this. Instead of using the hatch icon, pick SECTION,
enter your distance between lines and angle, select ALL and your section
is completed in a second or two.
Now let's add some dimensions to our box. First go to the
DIMENSION icon, click it and select DIMHORI. This will allow the
measurement of any point on the screen. The icon to the left of DIMHORI
is DIMLINE. Choose DIMLINE and then pick the top line of the box. An
information window will appear, showing the dimensions between the two
points. If it is what you want, hit return and it will automatically
dimension the line. If you look at the Dimension sub-menu you can see
that there are many ways to dimension your drawing and no matter how your
object twists and turns, there is a dimension tool that will fit the bill.
Remember, before you attempt to dimension any drawing you have to load in
a font style, otherwise it will tell you in a nice way that you need to
load a font! Proceed with the rest of the wall lines and repeat the
process. After you have completed that, you can save your drawing or
print it out on your printer. DynaCadd supports many printer types and
plotters.
Now let's go to our Autocad drawing and add the final touches to it
too. Unless you have configured Autocad to run on EGA (640 x350) you
will have to load your ADI screen drivers. I have decided to use 640 x
480 resolution because on my high rez monitor, when the resolution is
higher than 800 x 600, it is difficult to see the grid points!
Let's zoom in on our box. It is a red, double thick red walled
box. (I like having the different colors for the different entities.)
We have to go to the side menu to the command DRAW and select HATCH from
the submenu. We are then prompted on our command menu area for a hatch
pattern. If you know which pattern you want, enter it on the command
line, if not hit the "?" and return and it will list all available
patterns. Let's pick ANSI32, which is steel. It now prompts for the
scale, hit return to default at 1. Now it wants you to input the angle,
hit return for 0. Now we get the SELECT OBJECT(S) prompt. Let's select
our outer walls and inner walls. This will fill the area between the
walls. An easier way to do it is to select hatch, pick C for crossing
window, make a rubberband window over the box, hit the right mouse button
and zap, the hatch is complete.
Dimensioning our box is easy with Autocad. Just select DIM from
the side menu, select LINEAR, then HORIZONTAL. Next pick our line at the
top left corner of the box, click, and then pick the top right corner of
the box and click. Now it will ask for the location of the dimension
text. Pick any point above the line and click the button. Your outer
wall is now dimensioned. If you want to add a bit of color you can change
the text but we will not go into that at this time.
We can change our dimension text scale by using the DIM VARS
subcommand of DIM. We can change our text to any size we want so you
might want to lay around with it for the best results. After
dimensioning the rest of the drawing, you might want to save it or print
it out. Autocad supports a wide variety of output devices.
That's it for now, folks. There is so much we did not cover in
this short series on these two fine CADD packages. Both programs perform
extremely well and I have enjoyed using both of them. I have been using
AutoCad for a year now but have only had the pleasure of using DynaCadd a
few months. The major thing both have in common is that they are complex
and probably do more things that I would ever use in my lifetime. I like
the idea that AutoCad can be used on so many computers systems and display
devices. I'm sure that the main reason AutoCad is so widely used is that
it has been out for so much longer than most Cadd packages and has had
plenty of time to be refined and honed to become the industry standard. I
prefer the icon based system that DynaCadd uses. It seems to keep all the
commands within easy reach and accessable at all times. Both programs
have about the same setup routines, with the edge going towards DynaCadd,
because of it's one window setup system. Color, yes, this feature has to
go to AutoCad. I like using a drawing with all the entities different
colors. Resolution, again, AutoCad gets the nod. With so many device
drivers out there for AutoCad, it can be used on many display systems. I
can run at 1024 x 768 or 640 x 480 or even 640 x 350 if I want. Maybe
Atari will develop some hardware that will allows many colors on a
multisync monitor in high rez.
Speaking of monitors, I have to say that I have seen DynaCadd
running on a Viking 19" monochrome monitor and the display was very
impressive. Oh I would love to have that set up with a Mega 4, <sigh>.
Okay, back to business.....
Both programs are complex to say the least but I feel that a new
Cadd user would have an easier time with DynaCadd because of the superior
icon interface. I didn't get much time to fiddle with all the macro
commands of either program but I have seen Autocad customized in various
ways.
So now we come to the big question. Are the programs worth the
price? A definite yes on both counts. Even though Autocad retails for $
3000.00, it does so many things well and is so powerful, it is well worth
the money. DynaCadd retails for $ 995.00. Is it worth the price?
Again, a definite yes. As with Atari, DynaCadd offers a lot of bang for
the buck. The Atari ST and DynaCadd were meant for each other. I only
wish that the world knew more about the ST computer and vailable for business uses. I have decided if I
ever go into business for myself in the computer drafting field, I'll be
taking my ST with DynaCadd with me. In my opinion, DynaCadd can hold
it's own with any of the Cadd programs on the market today.
Myles Goddard
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I2.BITNET ("O. Steinmeier")
to 9 of 39 (23%)
A few days ago, someone asked for news from the CeBIT-fair in
Hannover/West Germany. I've been there last saturday. Here are some
impressions:
The TT and the UNIX-TT have been presented by ATARI. They told me that
they will start delivering the TOS-machine in June, the UNIX- machine will
be available next fall. Developers can get their machines in May. But
don't forget: That's what ATARI told me, so let's hope the best.
The battery-problem of the laptop Stacy hasn't been solved. Tempus Word
(a new textprocessor from the author of Tempus) will not be available
until summer.
Someone told me that the announced delta-module (80386SX-emulator)
will never be delivered ...
Vortex, a German hardisk-distributor, announced an AT-emulator,
based on a 8-mhz-80286. The board which I saw in Hannover has about the
same size as the PC-SPEED-board (no slots, no co-processor!). Vortex says
the ATonce-board (that's the name) is 35% faster than a 8-mhz-V30-computer
(it's not allowed to compare products in ads in Germany, so they didn't
name the PC SPEED/Supercharger). The ATonce-board has to be soldered on
the 68000 and will cost less then DM 500 (< $250).
A small German company showed a ST-emulator for the Commodore Amiga -
and it works! Most of the standard-software is running nearly as fast as
on a real ST. The QUICK INDEX benchmark reported a performance of 93 - 98
percent. The price: about 600 DM (< $300). The 'medusa'-emulator will be
available in April for the Amiga 2000, a version for the smaller Amiga 500
a bit later. You have to use the original TOS, which is not included with
the emulator board. But you get a program which reads the ATARI-ROMs and
saves the OS on a disk. The medusa-board can emulate the STE, so perhaps
it is the fastest way to get a STE in the US to buy an Amiga and install
the medusa-module ... (just a joke !?).
I hope that all these news are correct (especially the dates and prices).
Oliver Steinmeier (uk14@dkauni2.bitnet)
Waldhornstr. 4-8
D-7500 Karlsruhe 1
49-721-377892
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<[Jon @ A.U.A] J.CLARKE6>
Ok can we get under way Please ..........
<[Derek @ AUA] DC.SIGNORINI>
Go ahead jon...
<[Jon @ A.U.A] J.CLARKE6>
Ok news from the Atari Users Association Down-Under first
then news from the Atari Users Association in the USA from Derek
1/ Australian User groups join..
ACE in New South Waou?
<[Jon @ A.U.A] J.CLARKE6>
WAUG in Wanganui NZ
WACE in Wellington NZ
MAUG in Palmerston North NZ.
Also Atari-NZ are now open to all user groups for monthly meetings and
discussion groups..
2/ FIDO-MAIL : an international thread from NZ has started.
responces from Australia, UK and South Africa
have co a designated FIDO base...
Overall, response has been heavy in the last 2 weeks.
More and more people are beginning to comprehend what the AUA is about...
While I have not approached the user groups as strongly as Jon , I have
established a link with several bbs's throughout the country and
have distributed the AUA material to those BBS's...
We are going to begin work on a Video for the AUA that will be
distributed
free of charge to user groups to show at their meetings...the more we
can help the user groups, the more they will help us.
I will also be sending complimentary issues to all user groups that we
have listings for, and will also include Developers...
Our press release is almost complete, and that too will be distributed...
The AUA BBS list is 500 numbers long and growing...
I am maintaining that on SuperBase Professional as well as the Club
database!!! I am glad Precision Software published that database for
the ST!!!
That is all for now...anyone have any questions??
<D.A.BRUMLEVE>
I have a question...
<[Jon @ A.U.A] J.CLARKE6>
Go Dot.
<D.A.BRUMLEVE>
Do groups join _as_groups_, or should the individuals join?
<[Derek @ AUA] DC.SIGNORINI>
Groups as a whole...right now, we have made provisions for individual
membership, however.....
<D.A.BRUMLEVE>
Would a group voting to join need to fill out 40 forms, one for each
member then?
<[Derek @ AUA] DC.SIGNORINI>
A strong plan for membership of entire user groups is being developed
now...
What we would like to see, Dot, is have the user group join first...
Then...
<[Scott] S.FITZGERAL2>
You will please send information to our group at the address I gave
before?
<[Derek @ AUA] DC.SIGNORINI>
We are probably going to offer the user group members individual
benefits,
i.e. User groups can prosper from the AUA as well as individual members
and also those not in a user group...
Will do scott..
<D.A.BRUMLEVE>
Also, does your newsletter accept ads?
<[Derek @ AUA] DC.SIGNORINI>
Right now, Dot, we are offering FREE advertising but you have
to supply the material ie...a stuffer. We will cover the postage.
<D.A.BRUMLEVE>
I see, not space in the newsletter itself.
That could really run up your postage costs if people took advantage of
it.
<[Jon @ A.U.A] J.CLARKE6>
Dot here in NZ and outside the USA we supply a monthly disk you can
advertise in here for FREE if you like..
<D.A.BRUMLEVE>
Oh, I do like that!
<[Jon @ A.U.A] J.CLARKE6>
it goes to AUA Member USER groups only ..
<[Derek @ AUA] DC.SIGNORINI>
Also, Dot, the Electronic Chronicles Disk Magazine offers advertising
as well...it too is a disk based news-letter.
<D.A.BRUMLEVE>
I assume they duplicate it for members...How come we don't
do that in the US monthly?
<[Jon @ A.U.A] J.CLARKE6>
** For many reasons if I may explain.. **
<D.A.BRUMLEVE>
Please.
<[Jon @ A.U.A] J.CLARKE6>
1/ Here in the Pacific we do not have access to On-line services, as most
of you are aware, so the DISK has Z-Net and PDQ on-line mags on them,
along with any news of the AUA. This is sent to all the member User
groups of the Atari Users Association, so they can use it in their
newsletters and on their BBS. They pay for postage and send me a
blank disk.
<D.A.BRUMLEVE>
I see.
<[Jon @ A.U.A] J.CLARKE6>
local user group so it is of no purpose. Does this cover it for you?
<D.A.BRUMLEVE>
Yep.
<[Derek @ AUA] DC.SIGNORINI>
Dot...if I may clarify those members who contribute $15.00 to the
AUA receive the Electronic Chronicles Disk Magazine 6 times a year.
It is similar to what Jon is speaking of, however...it has original
work f 300 now... (mostly original work...) It also contains PD software
etc...advertising, etc...and is very
<D.A.BRUMLEVE>
I'm going to post the info on our group bbs and bring it up
at the next meeting.
<[Derek @ AUA] DC.SIGNORINI>
informative as well. Ok, by all means please do that....I will
make sure that you get all updated matn EVERYTHING outside North America, Jon?
<[Jon @ A.U.A] J.CLARKE6>
Yes I am, I look after the real world <grin>
<[Derek @ AUA] DC.SIGNORINI>
ha!
<D.A.BRUMLEVE>
You probably should get somebody to handle Germany...
<[Derek @ AUA] DC.SIGNORINI>
Jon has many friends in dark countries...haha
<D.A.BRUMLEVE>
I think I might have somebody for you...
<[Jon @ A.U.A] J.CLARKE6>
Please send me an address Dot.
<D.A.BRUMLEVE>
If you want German-speakers.
<[Jon @ A.U.A] J.CLARKE6>
yes..That is fine Dot no problem.
<D.A.BRUMLEVE>
He is in the Netherlands. And he has many connections. He used to be
a member of SAG. I'll send him the info on the AUA and see what he says.
<[Derek @ AUA] DC.SIGNORINI>
Thanks dot...that would be great....
<[Jon @ A.U.A] J.CLARKE6>
Thank you Dot I would love you to do that.. We will close the
Atari Users Association rtc till next week ,see you all then and tell
your friends about the RTC and the AUA.
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