ST Report: 17-Apr-92 #816
From: Bruce D. Nelson (aj434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu)
Date: 04/20/92-05:43:36 PM Z
From: aj434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bruce D. Nelson)
Subject: ST Report: 17-Apr-92 #816
Date: Mon Apr 20 17:43:36 1992
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Editor Note;
This overview of ACE '92 was so nice as it came in, including the cover
note I decided to leave it there for all to enjoy.
by Bill Devonshire
CIS 73707,1656
Dear Ralph:
I wanted to write to you some impressions of ACE 92, but have been
extremely busy. Although almost a week has past I still feel the desire
to comment on this latest Atari Exposition. I have never had the
opportunity to attend any Atari functions of any size shape or diameter,
and it is a real thrill to actually see, touch and test the products I
have salivated over in Atari magazines for so many years. Instead of just
looking and imagining what lies behind that packaging, you could get your
hands on it, and actually converse with the authors or manufacturers of
the devices.
This is unique, having attended many IBM based conferences, shows and
exhibitions, in that most of the authors of the products were actually at
the show. The depth of conversation was excellent and spanned well beyond
the superficial salesperson/customer interface. I enjoyed the show very
much because of this one fact, but found that time flew much too quickly
and left me wanting more.
ACE 92 overwhelmed me with the untouched potential of the ST/TT
computers. There were some very impressive hardware and software products
that easily rival and out shine similar products on other platforms. Why
the DOS platform ever attracted so many people to it is beyond me!! They
must have used mirrors and smoke to do it. It's like a big snowball
(Canadian analogy) rolling down a hill, collecting more and more people as
it goes. However, at ACE it brought one thought to mind, "You can fool
some of the people some of the time, some all the time but never all the
people all the time". By the looks and sounds of it Atari supporters are
mostly in that later category.
It was interesting to see the type of people who attended ACE. There
was a common thread of appearance and interest. It would seem that Atari
computers appeal to the more avante garde members of society. Almost a
"jazz" orientation in the world of Computers. How many people like Pop
music and how many like Jazz. For the most part, a Jazz musician will not
expect to make the same millions that their counter parts in Pop will.
They are more concerned with the highly technical side of their
profession, and strive to do more than the ordinary. Jazz-Atari! Knowing
that the ST is a prime "Music" oriented computer this realization is not
so astonishing, however there would appear to be a common thread of
artistry and the search for the unique and obscure in the Atari
supporter.
I am so glad to see Atari out in force, supporting their machines and
tantalizing us with the future. Before I get into this topic I would like
to comment on a few things about the dealers and products that really
caught my attention. This is not in order of importance or likes or
dislikes but rather my routing through all the literature and brochures I
picked up and taking it as it comes:
Gadgets: the SST
-----------------
What a dynamite product! but unfortunately too expensive for me.
Watching the SST animate screen images into a blur was exciting. I am an
ST/e owner and can only oooh and aaaaah at the SST. Not only is it too
big for my pocket book but its also too big for my machine, and I'd have
to either find a new home for my ST or find a new home for the SST (a
Mega). For those who have the cash and the machine to accommodate it I
have one thing to say "I'm envious".
Gemulator: the Atari ST emulator for MS-DOS and Windows
--------------------------------------------------------
The Gemulator is a neat idea but will never find its full potential
under the guidance of Darek. I had great anticipation when I went to see
this "gem" and looked forward to chatting with Darek about his latest
idea. It might have been that way if Darek hadn't of been so defensive
and argumentative. It was apparent that he has had a rough time in the
Atari community, and may have faced a deluge before I stumbled (literally)
into his booth. He was running the Gemulator on a 486. Neat idea but who
wants to spend $500.00 bucks to put something you already have into
another machine? Well, when you "upgrade" to a PC you won't have to loose
your present software investment? Sounds good, but, even if I did buy a
PC I'd still have my ST (or is someone offering trade in's to "upgrade").
If I did buy a PC, wouldn't that $500.00 go a long way outfitting my new
machine with software? The Gemulator does not support any of the hardware
potential of the PC, no VDI drivers to use Super VGA or whatever else may
come along. If developed a little more (but I doubt if it will) it may
attract my attention, until then, nice try.
Hyperlink - excellent product. Very well presented!
----------------------------------------------------
Every known size and shape of ST was represented in this booth,
displaying the prowess of Hyperlink. Especially on the TT hires it was
exceptional. I can think of several applications for HL that will spin a
few PC contemptible heads. Nice work, very flexible and easy to use.
(even Linda liked it!)
Lynx - better than I thought it would be.
----------------------------------------
I had never tried one, but next to the display of Lexicor's 24 bit
color board was an active Lynx setup. After pulverizing my racing car
several times, I put it back down and headed out to look at more goodies.
As far as hand-held video games go, I liked it. Crazy Dots - really nice
product, but it brought up the same feelings as the SST, too expensive and
won't work on my STe. OH well. Its nice to see this card out, and if I
had a Mega I'd be real happy, but my pockets are too deep to reach the
coin levels required to make this a reality. For those that have one -
"enjoy".
Neo Desk 3.0 - far exceeded my expectations
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This is a great software package. I had to see it to believe it.
Anyone with a hard drive shouldn't be without it. Neodesk helps bypass
all the inflexibilities of standard desktop operations and makes the
Computer an easy to use tool. It really does make applications no more
than a click away. For the non-technically inclined, a definite shoe-in.
PC's and MAC's eat your heart out on this one.
Cyrel Sunrise - the M16-1280 has been rumored for some time now
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I have called and talked to the developers several times throughout
the year to see how things are going. At first I thought "How can these
guys develope this extremely powerful and expensive product for the ST
line?" What market do they have? The fact that Atari equipped their
latest machines with VME is very significant. The VME bus is "big", and
presently supports a very large market (and a market that is quickly
expanding). Their system was breath-taking. It rivals anything I have
seen yet on any platform, even the Video toaster (it makes the VT look
like a bun warmer). Fast, crisp, clean and clear are the words that come
to mind describing the video output of this "Cube". It's expensive but
for its intended market and class, quite low priced. Actually lower cost
than the Video Toaster.
GramSlam - helps with having 5 school aged kids
-----------------------------------------------
Linda and I are kept pacing back and forth between schools trying to
maintain some stability for our kids in this presently crumbling
educational system. More and more we are looking towards new ways to
approach the education of our kids, including home schooling. GramSlam
and its cohort Grammar Expert meet all our criteria for "Educational"
software. In a society where spelling and grammar are taking a beating..
thank you Phil Comeau Software for a step in the right direction.
ADspeed - I love this accelerator
---------------------------------
Not only does it fit my pocket book, it also fits in my STe, and for
$32 lets me math coprocessor myself to oblivion. This is a nice product,
developed more for the affordable ST crowd. The acceleration is obvious
on screen, easy to install, easy to use, speed switchable and
(reportedly) 100% compatible. Nice product! With Math copro it comes in
at about $325 Canadian.
D.A. Brumleve - Good Stuff!
---------------------------
Everything we said about GramSlam above goes double for these
products. Friendly and informative presentation of a very solid product
line impressed Linda and I. Multi-Play, KidPainter, KidPublisher Pro (and
Dot to Dot) are very well designed educational games, that really do
interest our kids. Even the smallest in our troop (Willy and Katie - 2 and
3) will sit and play with the ST for hours. (on rainy days of course).
Thank you for your unique software.
Tiny Turbo - can't say enough good things about this one
--------------------------------------------------------
Excellent hardware product! The price is still too high for me but if
I squeeze hard enough and earn my allowance, I just might be able to get
one, and YES it will fit inside my STe. Please keep the price down!! (I
know, I know it cost lots to develop). Well at least it is within the
edge of my reach. Set your ST on fire with this one.
Well, that's just a few of the goodies. The large TT monitors are
nice. 19" does make a difference. I had never set eyes on a TT before
until this show, I hope they become a little more popular. Its a very
solid machine, and mostly downward compatible with lots of flexibility for
upgrading. The TT will probably make its big hit in the Music area and
then turn DTP on its head. I would like to get one but (that's right) its
too pricey yet. Compared to a MAC its cheap, but to a 386DX - expensive.
When it drops down (will it?) I'll get one. The rumored machines may
divert me, but then I like the VME port concept.
If I learned anything at all from ACE, it was that it is imperative to
get out to these shows and get hands on with the various products. I hope
it was financially successful enough to warrant another show real soon.
If you are close enough to attend one, please do. Thanks alot to TAF for
all the organization (and I'll be signing up very soon). The new version
of Flash is great. Missionware seems to have taken their name seriously
and they have produced a very satisfying upgrade to old Flash 1.6. I
didn't get a chance to test Warp 9 (and forgot my disk for upgrade) but
I'll be sending out for the upgrade. One last thing: with all the talk
about how the ST line is failing, don't believe it. Life is change,
nothing stays the same, and so it is with the ST. Version 1.0 becomes
version 2.0. 512 colors becomes 4096, 320x200 becomes 640x480x256. Tos
1.0 becomes Tos 3.0. Get what you need, use what you have to its fullest,
and if you can afford what you need then get it. You should have seen the
screens on that 24 bit color Leonardo board from Lexicor, Lee Seiler put
together some true color graphics that would curl your hair,.... Loved
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by Michael Lee
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From Rich Tietjens at The Conqueror Connection - From the STReport
FNet Conference...
I received my Mega 2 STe on Friday, 3 April, 1992, and wanted to try
to find the relative speeds of the various possible configurations.
Using NBM (NBM - The Ness Benchmark, v1.2, by J. Ness), I ran a series
of tests to determine how the Mega STe stands up to the "old Atari ST
line. Here are my findings:
Test Name Test Number
Math Routines 1
Memory fetch/store 2
Dialog box draw 3
Floppy read/write 4
Other Drive read/write 6
Graphics 7
Config 1: 16Mhz, cache on, Blitter on, QSTe 3 on
Config 2: 16Mhz, cache on, Blitter off, QSTe 3 on
Config 3: 16Mhz, cache on, Blitter on, QSTe 3 off
Config 4: 16Mhz, cache off, Blitter off, QSTe 3 off
Test Config 1 Config 2 Config 3 Config 4
1 9.03 182% 9.05 181% 9.11 180% 14.75 111%
2 10.44 154% 10.43 154% 10.47 154% 14.47 111%
3 10.46 462% 9.71 497% 19.23 251% 31.45 153%
4 44.41 162% no significant variation in any configuration
5 16.28 92% no significant variation in any configuration
6 28.75 278% 27.44 292% 59.57 134% 13.53 70%
Config 5: 16Mhz, cache off, Blitter on, QSTe 3 off
Config 6: 16Mhz, cache on, Blitter on, Turbo ST 1.6 on
Config 7: 16Mhz, cache on, Blitter off, Turbo ST 1.6 on
Config 8: 16Mhz, cache on, Blitter on, QSTe 3 on, Turbo ST 1.6 on
Test Config 5 Config 6 Config 7 Config 8
1 9.03 182% 8.99 183% 9.00 183% 9.02 182%
2 10.44 154% 10.42 154% 10.42 154% 10.44 154%
3 10.46 462% 12.67 381% 12.92 374% 11.59 417%
4 44.41 162% 67.36 107% 67.54 107% 67.56 107%
5 16.28 92% 18.12 82% 18.08 82% 18.33 81%
6 28.75 278% 58.58 136% 64.53 124% 28.88 277%
All results are in seconds, with a percentage of the speed of a plain-
vanilla 520ST, 8Mhz, machine as the baseline.
Conclusions:
1. The Mega STe is capable of speed ranging from about 130% to 250 of
the ST, depending on the operation, without any extra software. Re-
asonable expectation would be an average of 150% in normal operation.
2. Running Quick STe 3.04 with the Blitter increases performance
dramatically, and in the artifical environment of the benchmark
program, Quick ST is actually a little faster with the Blitter turn
off. Subjective performance is unaffected by the Blitter, however,
because Quick ST is so much faster than the built-in routines that the
Blitter is not noticed, regardless if it is on or off.
3. Turbo ST affects only Dialog Box Draw. It is not effective in
combination with Quick STe, and in fact seems to slow graphics some-
what, as compared to what QSTe can do alone.
In addition to the above tests, I have tried some software for com-
patability. Most of the normal programs (not copy-protected) run as
usual; a few act inconsistently, and some will not fully function, if
they work at all, on the Mega STe.
Examples:
All of my shareware games work as expected (although quite a bit
faster than before).
MegaTraveller 1 ran from Hard Disk once; afterward, I was forced to
set up a boot floppy in order to get into the program. However, the
1.44 meg floppy makes that less onerous than it seems, since both of
the DSDD disks that come with MT1 will fit on the single 1.44 ;-) !
Also, today it ran from the HD again, so apparently it was a software
conflict with a DA or AUTO folder program.
Days of Thunder would run the soundtrack, but the screen became a
green "snow" pattern, and the game would go no further.
R-Type will run, but your ship and all objects on the screen except
stars and shots are invisible.
Overall, I am extremely pleased with the Mega 2 STe. It is attractive
to the eye, and provides an excellent value for the cost. Performance
is improved over my old 520ST, and far superior to the Zenith AT clone
I am forced to use at the office.
Rich Tietjens
"Captain Blade"
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From A.BITTON1 - Cat. 9, Topic 28, Msg. 104 - from the ST Roundtable on
Genie...
...I got a list of upcoming ST Releases from Paul Moodie, marketing
director at Microprose UK, and it lists 2 Spectrum Holobyte titles:
SuperTetris (April '92)
Crisis In The Kremlin (May '92).
I read in several mags that Specrum had signed with Microprose UK
after the demise of Mirrorsoft. This clinches it.
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Comments about the Princeton Ultra 1400 monitor - Cat. 4, Topic 34, Msgs
77, 83-84 - from the ST Roundtable on Genie...
From Rob Glover...
I got the latest Damark catalog yesterday, and saw the Princeton Ultra
1400 monitor advertised for $389. According to Damark Technical Dept.,
the freq. range is 15-36.5KHz, and the refresh rate is 45-120Hz, which
is suited to the ST.
I seem to remember someone else talking about this monitor a while
back, so I hope I haven't repeated anything.
Also, they didn't know if the monitor has setting memory, so you don't
have to keep fooling with the adjustments when you change resolutions.
If it doesn't, I guess it would best compare to the Acer monitor. Does
anyone know how well it compares to the Acer?
Answer from Mike Drysdale (Team Computers)...
The Princeton is excellent. And the Damark price is below dealer cost.
(How the **** can they DO that!) :-(
Comments from Joe Ceklosky...
I am also interested in the Princeton Ultra 1400 monitor. I know that
it will work on the ST, but have also been trying to get input on it.
That is a great price on the monitor!!! I saw it for $475 in Computer
Shopper.
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From VANDENHEUVEL - Cat. 9, Topic 47, Msg. 106 - from the ST Roundtable
on Genie...
Bad news all. The news from OCEAN is that EPIC has been put back
several weeks. It won't be out for about a month. This is the line I
got from my distributor, who in turn got it from his sales rep at
OCEAN. Oh well, we've waited this long...maybe they're making it even
better.
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Comments about LEGEND from John Hoffman - Cat. 9, Topic 26, Msg. 1 -
from the ST Roundtable on Genie...
Legend is a new fantasy role playing game. The game system is
generally 3D isometric. The game is played by manipulating four
charaters through various dungeons. Dungeons are located in various
Cities, Keeps, and Castles. Evil minions are constantly attacking
cities, friendly troups, or characters as they travel cross country.
Legend features real-time animated monsters, unique magic system, and
dungeon master type puzzles. This is an excellent game.
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From Alan Hamilton (Starfall Software) - Cat. 4, Topic 4, Msg. 99 - from
the ST Roundtable on Genie...
I just installed a board from JRI that uses 1meg SIMMS. The SIMMS can
be had for about $40 each (check your local computer dealers, or look
through COMPUTER SHOPPER -- either 8 bit (Macintosh) or 9 bit (IBM)
will work).
The board itself was $120 from JRI, plus $12 shipping, COD, and 2nd
day delivery charges.
Use of the board avoids the need for chip stacking and other tricky
stuff. You can't just remove the 256k chips and put in 1meg chips. The
1meg chips have extra address lines that must be connected. Further-
more, I shudder at the thought of unsoldering 16 (512k) or 32 (1meg)
256k chips. At 16 pins each, that's 256 or 512 connections.
The installation requires clipping a few resistors (to disable the
motherboard memory), unless you are going to 2.5meg rather than 4 meg.
In that case, the 512k becomes the .5meg. The instruction sheet notes
that on a few 520STs (motherboard Revisions 2, 2A, A, B, and C) two
traces must be cut for a 4meg installation, since those models don't
have the resistors.
The other connections are: seven wires soldered to various points on
the motherboard, power and ground connections, a cable plugged into
the video shifter socket, and a header piggybacked onto one of the
motherboard RAM chips. If you have clipped any resistors or traces,
one side of them has to be connnected to +5v to deativate the old RAM.
The memory options for a 520ST are 2meg, 2.5meg, or 4meg. The 2meg
option is pointless, since that's just the 2.5meg with the motherboard
RAM disabled.
The 2.5meg option uses 2 1meg SIMMs, and the 512k on the motherboard.
The 4meg uses 4 1meg SIMMs, and the motherboard RAM is disabled.
I installed the 4meg option into my 1040STf, and it's worked great. No
bombs or problems at all. On the 1040STf, at least, the board will fit
underneath the RF shield.
BTW, it's normal for programs to take much longer to load with more
memory. Download Charles F. Johnson's PINHEAD to fix this (see CAT 32,
TOP 17).
The only real advantage of chip stacking over using the daughterboard
is saving the $137 it cost me to get the board. OTOH, the chip
stacking involves *much* more soldering. If you're comfortable doing
this, find. I myself am not.
There are also solderless boards, but I've heard bad things about
them. They all have to use some sort of wonky method to disrupt the
MMU connections, since you aren't clipping any resistors. I've heard
lots of stories about bad connections from these schemes.
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About DBman from Jeff Wisniewsk - Cat. 6, Topic 16, Msg. 69 - from the
ST Roundtable on Genie...
NOTE to all users who have upgraded to the latest version of DBman, I
was talking to them today and they said that they have found some
major bugs and are recalling all upgrades that they have sent out.
They also said that the fixed version will ship at the end of the
month.
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Looking for a good, quiet and inexpensive fan for your hard drive? WALLY
has some help for you - Cat. 4, Topic 39, Msg. 61 - from the ST Round-
table on Genie...
...I've got this little RS (RatShak) fan (Cat. No. 273-243b) hooked up
to my 1040STe, and it does a nice job (quietly) at 6vdc.
It is rated at 12vdc, .16A, 1.9W (but I run it at 6 volts). Even at 12
volts it was a bit more quiet than the Hurricane-fan in my HD. <G>
I paid $18.00 for this fan (and that is the Sitka, Alaska, price).
Also, it is the _standard_ (?) 3 1/8" square.
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From Paul Wu (Omnimon Peripherials) - Cat. 4, Topic 12, Msg. 20 - from
the ST Roundtable on Genie...
**** ATTENTION *****
If you are using GENWAVE with the DEKA, you may find that the hardware
key does not work. Don't panic! there is a very easy fix and it is
very similar to the resister fix we had posted here some messages
back. Just connect the same type of resisters to pin number 11, 13,
15, and 17 of IC2 to pin 20 (VCC). This should also work with any
hardware key device that hooks up to the joystick port.
Again, if you feel uncomfortable doing the mods yourself, you can
always send it back to us and we'll do it for you free of charge.
However, please call first to get an RMA#.
Our phone number again is (714) 753-9253 and our new business hours
are M/W/F 10:00am-4:00pm Tues/Thu 10:00am-3:00pm
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From D.FINCH7 - Cat. 11, Topic 14, Msg. 12 - from the ST Roundtable on
Genie...
ATARI USERS ANNOUNCE UPCOMING SHOW
Local Atari computer user groups are joining forces to stage a two-day
computer show later this year in Hartford, Conn. An umbrella
organization representing Atari users in Fairfield County and the
Danbury and New Haven regions has announced dates and site for
Connecticut AtariFest '92. The event is scheduled for August 15 and
16, 1992 at the Sheraton Hotel at Bradley International Airport,
Windsor Locks, Conn.
The show is being sponsored by the ACT Group [Affiliated Connecticut
(CT) Groups], an umbrella organization comprised of these Atari user
groups:
F.A.C.E. (Fairfield County)
S.T.A.R.R. (New Haven area)
D-BUG (Danbury area)
To date, the following exhibitors have agreed to participate in
Connecticut AtariFest '92: Atari Computer Corporation, Atari Explorer
magazine, the Boston Computer Society, GEnie, Gribnif Software, GFA
Basic, Joppa Computer Products, Sam Ash Music Inc., Step Ahead
Software, Soft-Logik-Publishing, Tidbit Software, Toad Computers, and
ICD Inc.
Organizers say the show will showcase the latest Atari products and
services, and will include seminars on desktop publishing and video
production, hands-on instruction from manufacturers and software
developers, MIDI demonstrations, giveaways, a swap room and much more.
For more information about attending or exhibiting at Connecticut
AtariFest '92, contact Brian Gockley, chairman, 18 Elmwood Avenue,
Bridgeport, CT 06605 [Phone (203) 332-1721].
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Some interesting comments about Atari and the Midi market from John J.
(Atari Explorer) - Cat. 14, Topic 3, Msg. 31 - from the ST Roundtable on
Genie...
Mike:
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! "Flashy advertising sells!" ... not true.
Musicians are notoriously immune to flashy endorsements, because
1) they don't make a lotta- lotta money to spend on stuff that Paula
Abdul likes, and
2) They're smart enough to know that what's going to grab an A&R
person's interest is musical quality -- NOT "what kinda system I own."
In other words, this guy's future is wrapped up in PERFORMANCE SPECS
and PRICE. NOT "Elton John uses my system."
This was confirmed, five minutes ago, when I got off the phone with
Alan Garvey, manager of PMC ("Dangerous on the Dance Floor" -- #1 RAP
single NYC Jan/Feb '92), who says to me: "John, we need to do
business. The boyz are *sick* of these Macs. I'll send you a report on
PMC and my other new acts, and let's talk."
Nice guy, Alan Garvey. Smart guy. Making money. In music. Shortly with
Atari systems, I'm forced to assume. I mean, if the sale walks in the
door, and holds out the money, I should refuse? (Grin) As far as
advertising goes, my ex-from-France-girlfriend told him to call me. As
far as I know, Atari didn't have to pay her anything. (grin)
To SM [Music<>MIDI]:
The point is, we're NOT starstruck. Frankly, anybody who thinks Mick
Fleetwood is still a star ought to listen to the radio more. We're NOT
that impressed with triple-plat (I mean, Madonna uses Atari systems,
okay?), because triple-plat is only 20 systems, worldwide. What we're
impressed with is the idea that there are FIVE music markets, out
there, from largest to smallest:
1) People who want to learn to play an instrument. By pushing MIDI-
based Atari ST music solutions on these people, we're saving them
megabucks and giving them the BEST training tools on the market.
2) Serious working musicians. I'm talking weddings and Bar Mitzvah's,
here. VERY price-performance sensitive. You make $20,000/year working
six nights a week, you ain't into digital on a Macintosh platform.
You're into "the ST plays the accordion parts, and I play the keyboard
parts."
3) People about to break. See above. Money is still a problem, but
we're talking image, now, so the PERFORMANCE aspect of Atari systems
is still attractive. Let's face it ... Apple doesn't HAVE a reliable,
cheap, four-track digital system for under $5,000. Warner A&R *will*
notice.
4) Stars. These people only care if their lives are made easier. Atari
systems make their lives easier. They make better MUSIC.
Currently, Atari's marketing plans for the music market depends on
advertising to attract groups one and two, and personal contacts to
attract groups three and four. It's WORKING. PMC's manager JUST CALLED
ME. My advice is: wait until the stats are in, but don't bet the farm
on Apple. If you aren't Billy Joel, you can't afford it.
To OUTRIDER:
The thing is, Atari can GET endorsements. You think Peabo Bryson
("Beauty and the Beast," #1-selling album on Billboard's R&B charts,
October '91 "Can you Stop the Rain") was PAID to tell me what he told
me in the February issue of Explorer? Bryson's people call me every
two weeks to ask WHAT THEY CAN DO FOR ATARI!
We're talking "brand loyalty," here. Okay, Peabo wants a four-meg ST
Book, but still. Don't YOU? *I* sure do. (grin)
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> DELPHI ONLINE STR OnLine ** OLIVER STEINMEIER CONFERENCE **
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Transcript of a formal Conference, held Tuesday, April 14, 1992.
SPECIAL GUEST - OLIVER STEINMEIER
+++++++++++++++
.Gordie>
First, let me welcome Oliver to DELPHI. We tried to get him to join
us for a formal Conference last year, but couldn't find a date he
hadn't already committed elsewhere. So, when we found out he was
going to be In the USA this spring, we wisely got him lined up well
ahead of time.
For those of you who don't know who Oliver is, let me tell you just a
bit about him. Oliver lives in Karlsruhe, Germany and is an active
Atari owner there. He somehow manages to write 20 pages for the
German magazine ATARI JOURNAL each month. He has also written or
co-authored more than 16 computer oriented books, is one of the
co-developers of KBS (an cross-platform operating system of some
kind), did the translation of DC's DataDiet for the German market,
and has reviewed all three MC68030 boards for the ST that are
available (SST, Turbo 030, Hypercache 030).
And, most recently, he had a chance to put MultiTOS through its paces,
and wrote a review of what he found for Atari Journal.
Oliver, do you have any opening comments you'd like to make?
.Oliver>
Hi folks, it's nice to be here! This is my first conference, not only
the first I attend on this side but also the first I see live in
action at all... So please excuse any problems that I might cause
here! It's all my fault :-)
.Gordie>
I'll start it out by asking if you have any observations on how Atari
is doing in Europe. ga
.Oliver>
Atari in Europe? Well, I have no idea what Atari is doing in other
countries but Germany. Back home in Germany they are not as strong as
they used to be, but compared to here it's still a big market. Well,
I know, this answer isn't full of details, but what exactly do you
want to know? GA
.Gordie>
Can developers still make enough money to stay in business in Germany?
ga
.Oliver>
Yes, they can, if their products are good, and if their products are
needed. Actually there are still new companies getting on the market
with new ideas and products. GA
.Gordie>
Thanks.
.Jerry>
What is MultiTOS??? I never heard of it before. GA
.Oliver>
Good question. MultiTOS is supposed to be a new operating system for
the Atari 680xx line that allows the use of more than one program at a
time (i.e. multitasking). GA.
.Dana@STReport>
Could you elaborate on that a little more, Oliver? GA
.Oliver>
Okay Dana, as you probably know there are operating systems that allow
the use of only one program at a time. TOS/GEM used to be something
like that (let's forget about ACCs).
Then there are operating systems that have multitasking capabilities.
For the ST there have been systems like OS/9 and Minix on the market
for quite a while already. The thing is, though, that they wouldn't
allow the use of your favorite GEM word processor or any other
software you used to use.
MultiTOS now allows the use of more than one GEM program at a time,
i.e. wwhile you are writing a letter using xyz-word you can have your
C-compiler doing some work for you. GA.
.Gordie>
Okay, Dana did you have an 'official' question? <g>
.Dana@STReport>
yep... A 2-parter, of sorts...
How do you view Atari Germany's response to the users in Germany
compared to what you hear about the U.S.?
...and 2) Could one learn something from the other to improve their
image? GA
.Oliver>
I don't see that Atari Germany is doing what users want them to do.
There have been delays in shipments lately, so TT's weren't available,
for example.
The Book wasn't available when I left Germany, it was said that it
would be in the stores in April, though, so I'm looking forward to see
if they kept that promise this time.
There isn't really a dialog between Atari users and Atari going on in
Germany, one reason might be that online services aren't as important
as they are here.
The print magazines are pretty important, though, and they have been
criticizing Atari lately. Now that the Falcon /030 has been shown to
selected developers and press representatives there is some hope that
something is gonna change. GA.
.Dana@STReport>
So what's the reason behind the massive turnout at shows like
CeBIT and others in Germany? Are that many more Atari users there
than here? GA
.Oliver>
Yes, there are a lot more ST users in Germany than here. And it's no
problem at all, for example, to find 'the friendly neighborhood Atari
dealer'. In Karlsruhe, for example, there are 5 or 6 dealers who sell
Atari computers or related products. Karlsruhe is about 250,000
people. GA.
.Bryan>
Is DC Data Diet very popular in Germany? Is the magazine you work for
very popular? What kind of Atari system do you own and use? And,
lastly, is the LYNX hand-held game system very popular? GA
.Oliver>
DC Data Diet is brand new on the German market. I translated the
manual, and the program came out at CeBIT about a month ago. There
were a lot of people at the Artifex table showing interest in the
program.
There are four ST magazines currently on the German market. We (Atari
Journal, sorry :-) started as a magazine that focused mainly on the
public domain market. Since last fall we are a full blown magazine,
and people like us.
The Lynx? It's a good toy, I don't have one, though. The Game Boy is
selling a lot better, though. They even have radio commercials for
games...
I still use my old 520ST+ (bought in 1986) with 2.5 MB, monochrome
screen, and 240 MB hard disk space. GA.
.Hudson>
Oliver, welcome to Massachusetts! Two questions.. Is your "journal"
available in the U.S.? How sophisticated was MULTITOS? Was it on the
same lines as Multifinder, or more like what the Amiga runs?
.Oliver>
Atari Journal is not available in the US, but you can subscribe to it,
if you want. It's in German, though. As for MultiTOS, we got a
betatest version of MultiTOS, which I reviewed for Atari Journal. I
haven't had the chance to make any detailed tests, but from what I saw
I can tell you that it seems to be a major improvement - as soon as it
comes out... It still has bugs, and lots of programs don't like it,
because they are not expecting other programs to run at the same time,
but once it is out on the market the developers should have updates
ready. GA.
.Hudson>
Thanx,GA
.Paul P.>
This is gonna be kinda lengthy...sorry. You mentioned that there are
still new companies getting on the market with new ideas. How will
that sit with us older ATARIANS (ST users pre-1985)? Seems as though
some overseas software either locks up my keyboard and/or monitor goes
heywire. Will this be corrected when they are imported to here in the
USA or will we have to upgrade to the next generation ATARI system??
Thanks! (GA)
.Oliver>
What problems are you having?
.Paul P.>
The monitor flickers occasionally upon boot up and sometimes the
keyboard locks up too. As far as specific programs, I can't remember
their names. Sorry to say I sold them to a friend with an STe and he
had no problems. Sorry I can't be more specific. ga
.Oliver>
And that happened with European programs only? I have no clue what
that might come from. As I said I'm still using my old 520ST+, and it
works fine.
One general problem for German/European companies is, though, that the
US market isn't as big as the one at home, so they sometimes aren't
sure whether it's worth it to make special versions for overseas. GA.
.Paul P.>
Oh! well, maybe cause of TOS 1.0? Thanx for the help. I will still
save for the FALCON (dedicated ATARIAN on board) ehehehe! Thanx!
.Oliver>
Yes, TOS 1.0 might be the reason. Get yourself something nice, TOS
2.06, for example :-) GA.
.Paul P.>
Thank you!
.Vic>
How does multitos differ from multigem, another multi tasking product
we have over here in the states? They both seem to access the
programs running via the desk accessory area on the desk top. GA
.Oliver>
I have reviewed/tested both products. Both seem to be similar, since
they both list processes in the 'Desk' menu, but internally they are
totally different. As you might know MultiGEM only allows the use of
up to 6 processes. MultiTOS has no limit (except for the RAM
limitations, of course). Also, MultiTOS has something like a round-
robin scheduler that gives each process a certain amount of CPU time
according to its priority. MultiGEM doesn't have something like that,
but uses GEM calls to switch processes. If one of the tasks doesn't
call operating system functions frequently (like ARC) the multitasking
doesn't really work, because the other processes don't get the chance
to do their work.
There will be a new version of MultiGEM coming out soon. It's called
MultiGEM II (what a surprise :-). There is also a product called
Mag!x That seems to be similar to MultiGEM. GA.
.Vic>
chuckle :) thank you. GA
.Gordie>
We're also going to be trying something new this time. Oliver, being
the generous guy he is, has offered to provide some door prizes that
we will be giving away through the course of the Conference. How we
award those prizes is still in the air. One option is a straight
random drawing, where pure luck will be the deciding factor. That's
the easy one. Our other option is asking a trivia question, and
giving the prize to the first correct answer that we get. That method
is a little trickier, and requires one simple rule. If we ask a
trivia question, everyone should type in their answer, but NOT press
the return key, until I give the proper signal, which will look
something like this:
.Gordie says HIT RETURN NOW!
That will give everyone an equal chance at having their answer appear
first, with no handicap for slow typing abilities. Any answer that
'jumps the gun' will be disqualified, by the way, even if it's
correct. We want it to be fair for everyone, so please abide by that
one simple rule.
Our first drawing will be a random drawing, and we'll save the bigger
prize for later on.
The first prize is a program called ST Guide, by the way. Oliver, can
you briefly describe it?
.Oliver>
When I was invited to this conference (and told about the door prize
I'd have to bring :-) I thought that it would be hard to find a
German program that is a) unknown here, or at least not available,
and b) Useful for someone who doesn't speak German. I found a program
called ST Guide, which is a useful tool for people who want to create
or organize an online help system. It is said to be similar to PC
programs such as Norton Guide. A text file can be turned into a help
file that then can be used from the ST Guide accessory. The program
is useful for shareware authors, for example, who would like to
provide a help system with their program (there is a freeware version
coming with it!). And the best thing about ST Guide is that I could
get an English version with English docs from the developer. GA.
.Gordie>
I'll do a quick /who to get a list of who's here, then have DELPHI
pick
a random number to decide which person will receive the program. Hang
on a sec...
And the winning number is...
11. Steve, that's you!
.Kevin>
Yay!
.Paul P.>
Right on Steve!!
.Gordie>
How did I get there? I had DELPHI roll a 17 sided die and Steve was
the number 11 person on the list of who's here.
Steve, send me your mailing address in e-mail, and I'll get it to
Oliver.
.Oliver>
Congrats, Steve! I don't have the program right here (didn't feel
like carrying it through the US...), but send me your address, and
it's on the way as soon as I get back home (May). GA.
.Kevin>
Sounds like Atari U.S! Just kidding!
.Steve>
Thanks!!
.Gordie>
Okay. That out of the way, we'll continue with the questions. Jerry,
you want to try again?
.Jerry>
In Gordie's opening statement about you writing for a Journal... Q -
Are you like a Bata tester EX...MultiTOS... And are there some NEW
items in the horizon that the general public don't know about?
.Oliver>
If the public doesn't know about it then there is a reason for that
:-)
Have you heard about Pure Pascal, the new Pascal compiler from
Application Systems, that is supposed to be compatible to Turbo Pascal
(and even faster than Pure C)?
.Jerry>
No.
.Oliver>
Okay, Pure Pascal was shown at CeBIT, and it will come out soon. It
has been developed by the same people who already swept the C market
with Pure C... (which used to be called Turbo C). ga
.Jerry>
Another Q -> Do you know if & when some of these software eople will
write the software to operate for 60 hrz instead of 50 hrz? 60 hrz is
the USA norm.
.Oliver>
You talk about games, right? I'm not interested in games at all :-(
no time for that...
.Jerry>
Some of these are games and some utilities....The DEMOS
.Oliver>
Well, it's the problem that I mentioned earlier. Some companies just
don't see chances on the market here... GA.
.Gordie>
Jerry, anything that doesn't autoboot can be run after using one of
the various programs that change the rates.
.Jerry>
I've tried that AND they reset to 50 hrz. I have TOS 1.4.
.Gordie>
Oh, well, I don't know what to tell you then. E-mail me the names,
and I'll see if I can find anything out.
.Oliver>
Bad habit :-) There are lots of people in Germany who also use the 60
Hz mode, because it's no problem with good color TV sets, and it
provides a much better image (less flickering). GA.
.Jerry>
ok ga
.Sky>
Tell us some about the "030" boards, and in your opinion, do you
believe that they are the wiser route to go than a TT or waiting for
the new Falcon. Last, Please try to get someone to translate the
program NVDI into English, and sell it in the US. GA
.Oliver>
As for NVDI I'll try to get this message to Bela, the developer of
NVDI... Maybe there is a change, I doubt it, though.
There is no easy answer on whether one should get a TT, a 68030 board
or a Falcon 030. First there aren't too many details out about the
Falcon yet. The 68030 boards that I reviewed worked pretty good
(detailed questions?). If you already have a Mega ST with an
expensive graphics card and other stuff, it might be wiser to get one
of those boards. If you still hang around with your old 1 MB 520 and
the good old SC1224, a TT might be the cheaper solution (and also the
more compatible one). GA.
.Sky>
Last, is NVDI still the fastest? thanks, GA
.Oliver>
I can't confirm that, because I didn't see the CodeHeads' new Warp 9
yet. GA.
.Allen>
Is OS-9 used on the ATARI? I have been told it is the popular OS in
Europe on the ATARI and Amiga, but I was there and saw a lot of Ataris
and Amigas but no OS-9......
.Oliver>
I haven't seen it either, but it is available. There are ads for it,
or at...
.Allen>
btw OS-9 is an OS that is used on the Tandy CoCo.
.Oliver>
...least there were ads in the magazines some time ago. But since it
isn't TOS/GEM compatible, the masses didn't care about it (and neither
did the press). GA.
.AP7>
Has the reunification of Germany provided for much growth in the Atari
market as a whole? GA
.Oliver>
Atari had been selling 130XEs and 800XLs to the former GDR, and after
the reunification there are 16 Million people who have been waiting
for real computers. After the first euphoria about the reunification
was over most families found out, though, that a computer system costs
a lot of money, money which was actually needed for other stuff (like
new cars, VCRs, ...) So the big run for new computers didn't really
happen, and also PCs are pretty popular in the former GDR now, because
they provide the same power for less money... GA.
JDBARNES>
Oliver, I would like to say that I think ST Journal is an extremely
professional product even if it's not chock full of glitzy ads. Is
the "power user" population in Germany really as strong as ST Journal
would seem to indicate (from its content)?
.Oliver>
We try to make a magazine that is understandable for most of the Atari
owners. If you compare Atari Journal with other German magazines
you'll find that we have less articles for the 'real programmer' than
the other mags. Instead, we hope to find a good mixture between basic
introductory articles on various topics (such as 'What is
multitasking?') and reviews of new hard- and software. GA.
JDBARNES>
ST Journal is the only German Mag that I read (it's actually Current
Notes' exchange copy), so my perceptions may be biased. Second, there
are some top-notch US products that seem to work better than European
ones - UIS III is one example. Hotwire is another. What kind of
reception do these get in Europe?
.Oliver>
UIS III is available in Germany (just saw an ad :-), but I haven't
seen (or written) any reviews. Hotwire I love, but since Gemini is
_very_ popular and the new TOS 2.06 is a big success it doesn't get
the recognition it deserves. GA.
JDBARNES>
Thanks, Oliver, that's all for me. GA.
.Kevin>
Atari seems to be getting more mention in U.S. publications lately -
even a little advertising! What is the state of Atari advertising in
Germany and Europe as a whole? Thanks! GA (Get Atari) :^)
.Oliver>
There are ads in Atari magazines. I don't know about other non-
computer related magazines, though. What I'm always surprised about
is that they have radio commercials in which they tell us how good the
ST can be used for video games. They claim that the world's best
games are available for the ST, and that it is just as perfect for
playing games as for serious work. What businessman is gonna buy an
ST for his office after that? GA
.Steve>
Do public perceptions of the various computers (e.g. Ataris, Macs,
IBM/clones, Amigas, etc.) differ much between here and Europe? (GA)
.Oliver>
In Germany the Amiga is widely know as a game machine. GFA BASIC
wasn't a big success for the Amiga, for example. The ST is used by
students, small businesses, and universities (yes, that's true!). GA.
.Steve>
So the Atari in Europe is like the Mac here?
.Oliver>
I don't really know what the Mac is doing here. A couple of years ago
the Mac was quite expensive, so the average user couldn't afford to
get one.. This has changed now, and many people who would have bought
an Atari get themselves a Mac... Good bye, JackIntosh! GA.
.Gordie>
Dana wanted me to ask if Atari Journal has considered expanding it's
readership by producing an English version? I'll add that I think
it'd be nice to see some translated articles in some of the existing
US magazines, if that would be possible.
.Oliver>
Naa, I don't think that there will be a chance for an English version.
Translated articles? Hmm, I can't make any decisions on that, but
I'll forward that proposal.
.Gordie>
Thanks.
.Paul P.>
Since the Deutsch Mark fluctuates like the English Pound, how can we
be sure the prices quoted in catalogs/magazines like ST Format, ST
User, etc. are current? Like when I call, will they give me a US
dollar amount? (sorry, call me naive I guess) :) GA
.Oliver>
I don't think that many companies will accept payments in US dollars.
One problem is that credit card orders are not common in Germany (I
don't know any company on the Atari market that accepts credit card
orders.) GA.
.Paul P.>
So then what are we to do? Any Suggestions?
.Oliver>
Open your own business, import the particular program and sell it
here! No, seriously, I don't know how you can order stuff in Germany
that is not available here. Maybe you have friends over there who
could send you the stuff? GA.
.Paul P.>
Wouldn't I have to pay a "duty" too?
.Oliver>
Not in Germany, as far as I know, but maybe the US customs wants to
see some money.
.Paul P.>
Thanx. GA.
.Gordie>
AP7, do you have a solution here?
.AP7>
The gentleman who needs to know about paying in a foreign currency, I
suggest correspondence first, then send foreign denomination travelers
cheques.
.Oliver>
Yes, travelers cheques in German marks do exist! GA.
.AP7>
I got MasterSound from England that way, no probs with customs,
either.
.Gordie>
Kev, you have a comment?
.Kevin>
Send a letter first, like AP7 said - I just sent money once and got
burned.
.Gordie>
Excellent point.
.Gordie>
It's running a little late, so why don't we have another door prize
drawing? We'll try a trivia question here, so...
Here's the rule for the Trivia contest. Type your answer as soon as
you have one. But DO NOT press RETURN until you get the signal to do
so. That will provide a fair chance to any of us who don't have
especially good typing skills. Any answer that 'jumps the gun' will
be disqualified, and we'll have to ask another one, which will
probably be tougher. So please, wait for the signal.
This time, the prize is some kind of keyboard enhancers. Oliver, can
you explain a bit better?
.Oliver>
Okay, you have noticed that I had some problems with this keyboard.
(* Which have been edited out to enhance readability- Gordie *) A
German company has developed new key caps for the ST that improve that
feedback. Unfortunately these caps are for German STs with all those
nasty umlaut characters etc. They also have a brand new product which
improves the touch even more. As you might know there are little
pieces of rubber with a graphite ring under each key which close an
electrical circuit whenever that particular key is pressed. The
quality of the original Atari keyboard is so bad, because those rubber
things (I have no clue what they are called) are so weak. The prize
I'm gonna give away now is a replacement set for those rubber things.
It's easy to install them, and it is really good (not as good as a PC
keyboard with DEKA, though :-) GA.
.Gordie>
Okay, you all know the Rule, so we'll have Oliver ask his question
now. Do NOT press that RETURN key until I give the signal.
.Oliver>
Norm, I'm sorry, but you can't participate, because it would be unfair
if you did :-)
NORMW>
Rats!
.Gordie>
I'll give you all about a minute to answer.
.Oliver>
Okay, here's the question: How many keys are there on German ST
keyboards?
I can see you guys searching for photos of German STs :-) GA.
.Gordie says PRESS RETURN NOW!
.Steve> 84
.Jerry> ???
.Paul P.> 75
.AP7> 95
.STeaser> 109
.Sky> 108
MICKEYANGELL> 115
.AP7> 101
.Terry> 118
.Gordie>
Any other answers?
.AP7> 102
.Sky> 91
.Gordie>
No fair giving more than one!
.AP7> 97
MRBURKLEY> 93
.AP7> ok
.Steve> 1 through 200 (kidding) :)
.Gordie>
Anyone right yet, Oliver?
.Kevin> 92
.Gordie>
No more guessing!
.Oliver>
Yes, I think there is a correct answer, what do you think, Norm? GA.
NORMW>
I am typing on a PC keyboard with a DEKA..I haven't got one to check,
but it is one more than an American ST keyboard!
.Oliver>
Yes, that's right. And since this keyboard right in front of me has
94 keys (we counted 3 times!) the correct answer is 95! GA.
.Gordie>
AP7, you won!
.AP7>
my first guess
.Gordie>
E-mail me your address and I'll forward it on to Oliver.
.Steve>
Congrats! (Ok, what's the extra key??)
.Paul P.>
darn! Missed it buy that much eheheeheh! Right on AP7!!
.STeaser>
Congrats AP7 (and Steve)
.Kevin>
Yay!
.Oliver>
Congrats! I hope you don't have a DEKA so that you can use this prize
(actually I hope you do have a DEKA :-) GA.
.AP7>
It was a guess, I knew more, thought one, but when no congrats figured
I
might be wrong and....
MRBURKLEY>
Congrats, (but isn't 93 close too <g>
.AP7>
It's an extra alphabetic character, right...?
MRBURKLEY>
Umlaut?
NORMW>
All European keyboards have one extra key, whose use varies by
country.
.Kevin>
self-destruct?
.Gordie>
Okay, we're over 2 hours, so we'll have a couple more questions, and
then draw for the big prize. Which... is a PC Speed. <g> Aren't you
glad you all hung around this long?
.Oliver>
The one key that we were looking for is the '<>' key which is located
on the left side of the 'y' (which is located where you guys have the
'z'). Did you get that? It's QWERTZ in the top line, and YXCV in the
bottom line. GA.
NORMW>
It is located next to the left SHIFT key, which is shorter!
.Gordie>
Oliver, do you have any feelings as to why new products appear on the
horizon in Europe before anywhere else? (Dana asked me to ask that
one.)
.Oliver>
New products? European products, or new Atari machines? GA.
.Gordie>
Atari products, I'd guess. ga
.Oliver>
Probably because the market is _a lot_ bigger. I don't really like
that, though, because this policy ruins the US market entirely. They
should get the machines out everywhere at the same time. I know, FCC
regulations are a problem, but other companies don't have that
problem, right? GA.
.Gordie>
Good observation. Other companies do seem to break new products
everywhere at the same time without a problem.
.AP7>
What is the Falcon I've seen mention of... a computer, or a game?
.Oliver>
I didn't see the Falcon myself. Jack Tramiel called it a workstation
for your home. Since it is said to be compatible with the old ST line
I'd call it a computer :-) GA.
.Jerry>
In the USA, Atari is suing another company [Nintendo I think]... Is
this company having any influence in Europe & Germany or is this a
press stunt for exposure?
.Oliver>
The story has been in the news in Europe, actually in the 'News from
USA section of Atari Journal :-)', but I don't think that this is
gonna have a big influence in Europe (unless Atari makes a lot of
money by winning the lawsuit). Nintendo is big in Europe, too. GA.
.Jerry>
ok and thank you for appearing here on Delphi tonight.....ga
.Gordie>
I think we'll give away that PC Speed, and take this informal. We're
running about 2 1/2 hours and it's approaching 1 on the east coast.
.Kevin>
ich bin fertig!
.Oliver>
Great! GA.
.Gordie>
We'll do the random method, so give me a sec to do a /who to get the
list.
.Paul P.>
Just a comment to say thanks and to say it is good to see the ATARI
still supported. Thanks Oliver for coming tonite!!!!
MRBURKLEY>
Thanks!
.Terry>
I'll second that. Thanks!
.Gordie>
Oh, does anyone have an objection to including our two previous
winners
in this drawing?
(* There were several conflicting views on the matter... *)
.Gordie>
Looks like a vote is in order. /send biblinski with your vote to
exclude or include.
Let me take this brief pause to thank Oliver for being our guest
tonight, and for providing the door prizes.
.Gordie>
Gotta do a count here... hang on...
Okay, we got more includes than excludes.
.Oliver>
It was great being here tonight and talking to you. A very nice
experience, I guess it's time we get something like this in Germany,
too. The Atari is not dead, and with your support it won't die that
soon!
.Gordie>
And the winning number is...
Number 4, who is... Terry!
.Kevin>
<sniff>
.Kevin>
Yay!
.Kevin>
Huzzah!
.Kevin>
stomp!
.Gordie>
No, I got it wrong.
.Kevin>
oops
.Steve>
Corn-gratulations!
.Gordie>
Sorry, Terry. Forgot to exclude myself and Oliver.
The winner is Paul P. He's the fourth on my list after me and Oliver.
.Terry>
It was nice for awhile! :^)
.Oliver>
Why can't I win my own prize? That's unfair - at least it would save
me some postage :-)
.Kevin>
Yay again!
.Paul P.>
I won??
.AP7>
wanna trade?
.Steve>
Yeah, Wanna??
.Gordie>
Paul, send me your address in e-mail, and I'll get it to Oliver.
.Paul P.>
No prob. Wow! The first time I ever won! Thanx, I'll do it!!!
.Kevin>
cool!
.Terry>
Way to go Paul!!
.STeaser>
Congrats Paul!
.Steve>
All right Paul! Sheeya!
.AP7>
Congrats!!!! Paul, now you can find out how clumsy DOS is and how
great TOS is in person!!!
NORMW>
I've got a book on using the PC Speed written by Oliver Steinmeier,
in English! Interested Paul??
.Oliver>
Hey Norm, don't forget that Fred McGhee, a US Atari expert did most of
the work on the translation of the book (so it is written in perfect
US English!)
.Paul P.>
Thanx! You betcha! I was gonna get it but couldn't afford since I got
laid off last Tuesday.
.Gordie>
And it's time to bring the formal portion of this CO to a close.
Thanks again, Oliver, and enjoy the rest of your visit to the USA!
.Gordie declares the CO officially over!
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> STR Portfolio News & Information Keeping up to date...
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THE ATARI PORTFOLIO FORUM
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> BLUE RIDGE ATARIFEST STR SHOW NEWS "THE SUMMERTIME ATARI EVENT!"
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1992 Blue Ridge ATARIFEST
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Where: Westgate Shopping Center - Asheville, N.C.
Take any major highway into Asheville (US 19-23, US 26 or I-40) to the
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When: 18, July 1992
Time: 10:am to 6:pm
Points of contact:
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704-685-8358 GEnie: C.Allen17
INTERNET: callen@UNCA.EDU
704-258-3758
Sheldon Winick
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Radisson One Thomas Wolf Plaza (704)252-8211
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====== Additional Hotel / Motel Information ===========
Days Inn I-26 and Airport Road (704)684-2281
I-40 Exit 55 (704)298-5140
Econo Lodge US 70 East, I-40 Exit 55 (704)298-5519
Holiday Inn 275 Smoky Park Hwy (704)667-4501
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Red Roof Inn I-40 and US 19-23 Exit 44 (704)667-9803
Toll-free reservation phone number1-800-843-7663
Buget Motel I-40 Exit 44 (Enka-Chandler)
West Asheville Exit (704)665-2100
Best
Western Asheville Central 22 Woodfin St (704)253-1851
========= Local Bed & Breakfast lodging Information =========
Aberdeen Inn 64 Linden Ave (704)254-9336
Albemarle Inn 86 Edgemont Road (704)255-0027
Applewood Manor 62 Cumberland Circle (704)254-2244
The Bridle Path Inn Lockout Road (704)252-0035
Cairn Brae B & B 217 Patton Mountain Rd (704)252-9219
Carolina B & B 177 Cumberland Ave (704)254-3608
Cedar Crest Victorian Inn 674 Biltmore Ave (704)252-1289
Corner Oak Manor 53 St. Dunstan (704)253-3525
Cornerstone Inn 230 Pearson Dr (704)253-5644
Flint Street Inn 100 & 116 Flint Street (704)253-6723
The Lion and The Rose 276 Montford Ave (704)255-7673
The Ray House B & B 83 Hillside St (704)252-0106
Reed House 119 Dodge St (704)274-1604
The Wright Inn 235 Pearson Drive (704)251-0789
(1-800-552-5724)
A more complete listing of Bed & Breakfasts can be obtained through the
Asheville Area Chamber of Commerce.
Reservations should be made immediately, as July is the height of our
tourist season.
=========== CAMP GROUNDS ================
(reservations are a must during this time of season):
Mount Pisgah:
About 20 miles southwest of Asheville on the Blue Ridge Parkway at
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of the nicest campgrounds in Western North Carolina. 67 tent sites, 70 RV
sites.
For reservations:
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phone (704) 235-9109.
No showers
Groceries and resturant
Nature program
14 day stay limit.
Lake Powhatan:
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806. 30 acres. 98 tent/rv sites. Reservation available thru Mistix
1-800-283-CAMP. Disposal station. No showers. Swimming; lifeguard;
fishing; nature trails; bicycles. 14-day stay limit.
While in the area, you might want to consider a little sightseeing,
and include a visit to the Biltmore House here in Asheville (the largest
single family residence ever built in the U.S.--its a "castle"). A visit
to the Biltmore can be a full-day's activity as you will want to view the
house, visit the winery, and walk some of the grounds and gardens.
Hours:
The House 9 am to 6pm The Gardens 9am to 7pm
Conservatory 9am to 5:30pm
The Winery Monday-Saturday 11am to 7pm Sunday 1pm to 7pm
Other areas of interest include; the Thomas Wolf home (adjacent to the
Raddison), the Blue Ridge Parkway and Folk Art Center. A drive up the Blue
ridge Parkway to enjoy the higher elevations and incredible views of our
mountains. Perhaps a hike up to Mount Pisgah and look back down to
Asheville(you can see Mt. Pisgah from most anywhere in Asheville). A
short drive from Mt. Pisgah will take you to Sliding Rock (for those of
you travelling with kids who are still kids at heart), the Cradle of
Forestry (first forest school in the country), waterfalls, trout hatchery,
etc. For the adventurous, white water rafting on the Natahala River near
Bryson City (approx one and a half hours from here).
There's obviously loads more to see and do around Asheville (in
addition to the Blue Ridge AtariFest and a visit to Computer STudio :-).
If any of y'all would like maps and additional tourist info of the area I
might suggest contacting the Chamber of Commerce:
Asheville Area Chamber of Commerce
151 Haywood Street
P.O. Box 1010
Asheville, NC 28802
704-258-6111 FAX: (704)251-0926
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> PURE C NOW! STR InfoFile Application Systems Heidelberg's Pure C
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> ///TURBO BOARD BBS VER. 2 STR Spotlight
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> SILHOUETTE V1.37 STR InfoFile SILHOUETTE V1.37 RELEASED!
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SILHOUETTE V1.37 RELEASED
=========================
American ST/TT software developer Maxwell C.P.U. is
releasing Version 1.37 of the bit-image, vector graphics
drawing program Silhouette. For registered users of versions
1.25 or higher, this release is offered as an update - free of
charge. Registered users on GEnie and Compuserve receive
updates direct.
Silhouette's retail price remains just $94.95. Maxwell is
keeping in line with Atari's philosophy of "Power without the
Price". Silhouette is a comprehensive drawing program with
auto-tracing at 1/5 the price of the auto-tracing program Avant
Vector and half the price of the nearest competitor.
Enhancements to Version 1.37 of Silhouette include:
Advanced bezier curve handling, shipment of Silhouette with
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of FSM outline fonts to vector objects.
Bezier improvements include improved drawing and editing
functions unique among computer graphics programs.
Silihouette's bezier and b-spline curve handling is
independent of GDOS but supports the GDOS format and also
outputs bezier curves as postscript.
FONT-GDOS by Atari Corp. is now offered with Silhouette.
This is the new replacement for GDOS. It offers bit-image fonts
with advanced memory management that greatly simplifies GDOS
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Okidata printers. Silhouette offers a direct print function.
The OUTPUT program of the original GDOS has been eliminated.
Silhouette also supports the new FSM-GDOS with outline
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Outline and bit-image fonts are installable together but the
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FSM fonts in Silhouette are now convertible to bezier vector
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QINDEX Benchmarks of GDOS:
GDOS 1.1 G++ FONT-GDOS FSM-GDOS
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GEM Draws 76%(293) 96%(294) 91%(294) 91%(294)
Text Sroll 100%(135) 100%(135) 100%(135) 100%(135)
Tests with QST-3 Installed are in parentheses. Benchmarks show
that the new GDOS does not retard the system as the old GDOS
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Upcoming Improvements to Silhouette!
Silhouette will soon offer the option of interfacing with
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CVG output is presently in the works. And the present
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format viewable and editable in Pagestream.
Silhouette's auto-tracing function continues to be
advanced. Expect a quantum leap improvement very soon with a
mild $15 price increase.
Through assistance from Atari Corp. developer support,
Silhouette's interface has undergone major improvements since
the initial version 1.07. The Toolbox is now anchored on the
left-side of the screen and menu options and boxes have been
standardized. Maxwell will not try to impress you with a sea of
icons and an unorthodox interface. Silhouette will soon be
supporting the new TT video modes, beginning with the TT medium
resolution 640x480.
Silhouette V1.37, $94.95.
Available direct:
Maxwell C.P.U.
P.O. BOX 576
Louisville, CO 80027-9998
(303)666-7754
or through your nearest Atari Dealer.
____________________________________________________________________
> FLOW CONTROL - FIXED? STR FOCUS "Atari now knows what the problem is.."
===============================
FLOW CONTROL - IS IT FIXED?
===========================
by John Deegan
TOS 2.06/3.06 does fix the need for the SERPTCH2 program, which fixed
other problems related to when the additional serial ports were added. I
have been reading many messages on the FNET about people having taken some
of the flow control patches out with TOS 2.06/3.06 only to find out that
it does not truly work.
This and other problems have been pointed it out to Atari recently,
they are working on these problems but seem reluctant to openly discuss
these and other problems that still exist in TOS 2.06 (like the double
mouse event bug and some file selector bugs, etc.)
Atari now knows what the problem is with the RTS/CTS and maybe now
they will be able to fix it once and for all. The many patch programs
that exist to fix this bug DO NOT FIX IT 100%. I have disassembled many
of these to see what they were doing and they don't address the true
problem. Ironically, it was an issue of STReport earlier this year that
caused me to re-investigate the problem and find the solution. This issue
had a very nice explanation of flow control and the RTS/CTS problems.
Using a serial bus analyzer I found that the ST continues to send data
in the hardware flow control mode after the CTS signal goes high.
Software flow control always worked. I disassembled the built in RS-232
handlers in TOS 1.04 and TOS 2.06 and the code "looks" correct. It
_should_ work. But it does not!
The real problem with the RTS/CTS flow control is not in the software
but it is in the hardware! No one at Atari had ever considered the real
problem as my guess is that they have software and hardware people, but
few if any Systems people. The hardware people never went back to look at
the problem and the software people could not find any thing that looked
wrong from their side.
The problem is that the priority of the CTS interrupt is too low. The
MFP (68901 Multi-Function Peripheral) has a 16 level interrupt controller
and a UART in it. The UART is the heart of the ST's RS-232 port. In the
interrupt controller, several levels are hard-wired for use by the UART.
The remaining are free to use as the system designers choose. Atari
placed the CTS interrupt at level 2 (0 is the lowest, 15 the highest
priority). This goes all the way back to the original ST design.
Level 12 is the interrupt that occurs when a new byte has arrived in
the UART and Level 10 is the interrupt that occurs when a byte has been
sent out of the UART and it is empty and ready for a new byte to be
loaded. These are some of the fixed interrupt levels.
During software flow control, the XOFF byte is sent by the Modem (Data
Communications Device or DCE) and the Level 12 interrupt occurs. Level 12
is always processed before Level 10. The XOFF byte is detected by the
Level 12 handler and it sets an internal flag that says that no more data
should be transmitted. In the mean time a byte may be in progress of
being clocked out of the UART, when this byte is completely clocked out
the Level 10 interrupt occurs. The Level 10 interrupt handler will check
the internal flag and if it says that no output should occur, it returns
doing nothing further. If the flag indicates that a byte may be
transferred, it sends the next byte (if any) in the output buffer by
loading in into the UART to be clocked out.
The software flow control mode works as designed. The hardware flow
control mode does not. Why? The DCE will raise the CTS line to signal the
DTE to stop sending data, this will cause a Level 2 interrupt on the ST.
However Level 2 is well below Level 10 and when the system is backed up,
it is possible that the Level 10 interrupt may occur several times before
the Level 2 handler is ever serviced. The Level 2 handler may not get the
chance to set the internal flow control flag until it is too late, i.e.
several extra bytes have leaked out. At 19200 baud, the Level 10
interrupt handler can occur as often as every 521 uSec, thats about 521
instructions on an 8 MHz 68000. With the other interrupt levels and the
fact that an interrupts are sometimes disabled, statistically the problem
is likely to occur. The early flow control patches may have worked at
lower baud rates, but could not keep up at the higher rates.
The real fix is to "read the interrupt register that indicates if a
Level 2 interrupt has occurred before attempting to output a byte in
hardware flow control mode, i.e. don't rely of the software flag as it may
not be up to date, check the hardware register directly before attempting
to output a byte." Atari now knows this and can, undoubtedly, fix the
problem.
In addition, Atari needs to address the fact that the RS-232 speed
tops out at 19200 baud. This limits current modems that have a DTE-DCE
link rate of 38400 baud as my USR Courier Dual Standard 16.8 does. The
newer V.32bis modems can talk at 57600 baud.
The new "Voice Mail" extensions to the Supra FAX Modems require 38400
baud to send the compressed voice data. This is a major limitation. I
have seen patches that allow higher baud rates, of 38400 on STs and Atari
says that two of the extra serial ports on the Mega STe and TT/030 that
use the Zilog SCC chip can go faster, but unfortunately, this is not
supported in the BIOS.
Hopefully, the next generation of machines will finally address this
aggravating problem.
_______________________________________________________________
> SAN JOSE SHOW Show STR SHOW NEWS Northern California Atari Show
================================
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
THE NORTHERN CALIFORNIA ATARI EXPO
==================================
JULY 25th - 26th
Sacramento, Ca
The first Northern California Atari show in two years was announced
today by a coalition of three local Atari user groups, Atari Bay Area
Computer Users Society, the Sacramento ST users group, and the San Leandro
Computer Club. The show will be held Saturday and Sunday, July 25th and
26th in Atari's own backyard at the Exhibit Hall in San Jose, California.
This is the second Northern California Atari Expo, the first was
highly attended and very successful. The show will run from 10 a.m to 5
p.m. each day and admission is just $5. The Exhibit Hall is located at
145 W. San Carlos, San Jose.
A Variety of dealers and developers are expected to attend, showing
and selling their software and hardware products for the ST/TT and 8-bit
family of computers as well as the Portfolio and Lynx.
For additional information on the show including exhibition space
availability, please contact us at:
Northern California Atari Expo
c/o SLCC
P.O. Box 1506
San Leandro, Ca 94577
GEnie Address - M.WARNER8
or
call at (510) 352-8118
or
(510) 534-2197
There will be further press releases as more information becomes
available.
______________________________________________________________
> USR SETTINGS STR Spotlight USRobotics Dual Standard 16.8 HST Modem
==========================
After noticing how many folks were having one kind minor problem or
another setting up their modems, I decided to place my own "S" register
settings in this issue as a reference.
*** THIS SETTING LIST IS FOR A GENERAL PURPOSE MODEM (CALLING OUT)
ati4
USRobotics Courier 16800 HST Dual Standard Settings...
B1 C1 E1 F1 M1 Q0 V1 X7
BAUD=19200 PARITY=N WORDLEN=8
DIAL=HUNT ON HOOK TIMER
&A3 &B1 &C1 &D2 &G0 &H1 &I0 &K1 &L0
&M4 &N0 &P0 &R2 &S0 &T5 &X0 &Y1 %R0
S00=000 S01=000 S02=043 S03=013 S04=010
S05=008 S06=002 S07=060 S08=002 S09=006
S10=007 S11=050 S12=050 S13=000 S14=001
S15=000 S16=000 S17=002 S18=000 S19=007
S20=000 S21=010 S22=017 S23=019 S24=150
S25=005 S26=001 S27=000 S28=008 S29=020
S30=000 S31=000 S32=005 S33=000 S34=000
S35=000 S36=000 S37=000 S38=000
LAST DIALED #: T
OK
ati5
USRobotics Courier 16800 HST Dual Standard NVRAM Settings...
DIAL=TONE B1 F1 M1 X7
BAUD=19200 PARITY=N WORDLEN=8
&A3 &B1 &G0 &H1 &I0 &K1 &L0 &M4
&N0 &P0 &R2 &S0 &T5 &X0 &Y1 %R0
S02=043 S03=013 S04=010 S05=008 S06=002
S07=060 S08=002 S09=006 S10=007 S11=050
S12=050 S13=000 S15=000 S19=007 S21=010
S22=017 S23=019 S24=150 S25=005 S26=001
S27=000 S28=008 S29=020 S32=005 S33=000
S34=000 S35=000 S36=000 S37=000 S38=000
STORED PHONE #0:
#1:
#2:
#3:
OK
*** THIS SETTING LIST IS FOR A DEDICATED BBS MODEM
ati5
USRobotics Courer 16800 HST Dual Standard NVRAM Settings...
DIAL=TONE B0 F1 M1 X7
BAUD=19200 PARITY=N WORDLEN=8
&A3 &B1 &G0 &H1 &I0 &K1 &L0 &M4
&N0 &P0 &R2 &S0 &T5 &X0 &Y1 %R0
S02=043 S03=013 S04=010 S05=008 S06=002
S07=060 S08=002 S09=006 S10=007 S11=050
S12=050 S13=000 S15=008 S19=007 S21=010
S22=017 S23=019 S24=150 S25=005 S26=001
S27=000 S28=008 S29=020 S32=005 S33=000
S34=000 S35=000 S36=000 S37=000 S38=000
STORED PHONE #0:
#1:
#2:
#3:
ati4
USRobotis Courier 16800 HST Dual Standard Settings...
B0 C1 E1 F1 M1 Q0 V1 X7
BAUD=19200 PARITY=N WORDLEN=8
DIAL=HUNT ON HOOK TIMER
&A3 &B1 &C1 &D2 &G0 &H1 &I0 &K1 &L0
&M4 &N0 &P0 &R2 &S0 &T5 &X0 &Y1 %R0
S00=000 S01=000 S02=043 S03=013 S04=010
S05=008 S06=002 S07=060 S08=002 S09=006
S10=007 S11=050 S12=050 S13=000 S14=001
S15=008 S16=000 S17=000 S18=000 S19=007
S20=000 S21=010 S22=017 S23=019 S24=150
S25=005 S26=001 S27=000 S28=008 S29=020
S30=000 S31=000 S32=005 S33=000 S34=000
S35=000 S36=000 S37=000 S38=000
LAST DIALED #: T
OK
I've seen where some folks have complaints of 24oo baud callers not
making good connections or no connections at all. Believe me, with two of
these modems, it was easy to test all baud rates. Then to make sure of
myself, I had 15 of my locals call the BBS at 1200 and 2400 using
different brands of modems a number of times. They did so without
difficulty. If anyone is having any kind of 'connect' problem, it would
be a very wise and prudent decision to call USR and get an RMA number.
(Return Merchandise Authorization) Get the modem exchanged or repaired.
When the USRobotics Dual Standard 16.8 is working it is an exercise in
perfection and speed. I hope my setting help in acting as a reference
point. If you are considering a modem purchase, I highly recommend the
USRobotics Dual Standard 16.8. High Speed Modem. Especially if you are a
Sysop as you will be offering the very finest performance to your
users/callers. The USR DS connects at 14.4 with most any modem out there
capable of doing so with v.32 and its quite fast.
______________________________________________________
> STR Support BBS List STR InfoFile The STReport Conference
=================================
CrossNet Conference Node Listing - as of 04/17/92 at 05:20 PM
=============================================================
Conference: "STReport Online" (34813)
Generated From "Lead" Node: 350 - * THE BOUNTY ST BBS *
Last Node List generated on: 04/01/92
18 - ///Turbo Board Support 19 - Autoboss/Atari Elite BBS
46 - Cheyenne Mountain 75 - Bloom County BBS
80 - Bit Heaven 99 - The Time Warp BBS
135 - Batcave BBS 266 - The Patch House
287 - Starlight BBS 299 - Critical Mass
307 - PayBax BBS 321 - microTalk
322 - ACEY 345 - RAM Wasteland
350 - * THE BOUNTY ST BBS * 363 - ComNet Luxembourg
378 - Little Lulu's Playground 410 - ACE Information Service
422 - Virtual Reality (PRIVATE) 429 - MASATEK
440 - {{{{ Realm of Chaos }}}} 442 - CMFM Blaster-Mix BBs
462 - The Atari ST Connection 469 - The Outer Region BBS
475 - Top Gun Systems #1-Las Vegas, 478 - Spectrum Atari Group of Erie
484 - microTalk II 489 - STeal Your Face
504 - Media 2000 508 - The SenTinel BBS
512 - The Asylum BBS 513 - The Forgotten Realms
532 - Bill's BBS 546 - Bear Swamp BBS
548 - The Metal Shop 555 - The Grid BBS
556 - Thieves Guild 557 - The Software Syndicate
595 - Temple of Doom 602 - Cartoon Haven BBS - FNET 602
610 - The Songwriter's Den BBS 618 - The Sword's Blade
620 - Leif's World 625 - Phil's Hangout
633 - The Dark STar BBS 637 - The Source Machine BBS
639 - The Million Dollar Saloon 642 - Hero's Haven
643 - The Ringworld 647 - E.H.C.R.
648 - The Mosh Bit 657 - The Round Table BBS
668 - ARGONAUT'S BBS 669 - Dateline: Atari BBS
675 - Motherboard 678 - A.C.O.R.N.
680 - The Revolution 681 - {-The STation 681-}
687 - R.A.T. III 689 - Speedy's Raceway
690 - Progressive Atari ST Enthusia 701 - The Conqueror Connection
702 - The Mother of All BBSs 707 - RevelSTone BBS
709 - Excalibur BBS 712 - H. B. Smog
715 - //The Fast ST Connection\\ 716 - The STronghold
722 - Alcatraz Prison 731 - The Gamers Guild
735 - Rick's Beach Hut 736 - The MIDI Clinic BBS
1010 - Micro-Mola 1027 - Track 83
1029 - System X BBS 1031 - <<<InterNet>>>
1042 - The Tavern 1047 - -[> T.G.M <]-
1049 - < Fortress BBS > 1054 - STatic BBS
Simply our way of recognizing these fine systems & sysops and saying
"thank you" for their continued support!
_________________________________________________________________
> STReport's Editorial Page "Saying it like it is."
From the Editor's Desk
----------------------
May the warmth and joy of the Holiday Season belong to each and every
one of you. Happy Easter and Passover to everyone. There is really not
too much going on other than the great vibes still emanating from the
echos of the recent TAF ACE '92 Show in Toronto. In this week's issue we
have an exclusive eyewitness report from the ACE'92 show that is really
very good reading.
Flow Control is covered in this week's issue and its sure to become a
topic of discussion as high speed modems become more and more common place
in our telecommunicating world. It is reported that 4 out of every 12
modem users aare now acapable of speed above 2400 bps... not bad.
Thank you for your strong support!
Ralph @ STReport International Online Magazine
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
STReport's Staff DEDICATED TO SERVING YOU!
----------------
Publisher - Editor
------------------
Ralph F. Mariano
PC DIVISION AMIGA DIVISION MAC DIVISION
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STReport Staff Editors:
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Lloyd E. Pulley Sr. Dana P. Jacobson Michael Arthur
Lucien Oppler Brad Martin Judith Hamner
John Szczepanik Dan Stidham Joseph Mirando
Steve Spivey Doyle C. Helms
Contributing Correspondents:
----------------------------
Michael Lee Richard Covert John Deegan
Brian Converse Oliver Steinmeier Tim Holt
Andrew Learner Norman Boucher Harry Steele
Ben Hamilton Neil Bradley Eric Jerue
Ron Deal Robert Dean Ed Westhusing
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> STReport CONFIDENTIAL "Rumors Tidbits Predictions Observations Tips"
=====================
- London, UK FRONTIER SOFTWARE GOES DOWN
------------
A bit of news from the UK, Frontier Software is no more. They are a UK
company who were generally agreed in this country to provide the best in
memory ugrades etc. The good news however is that 2 former managers have
taken over the operation under a new name.
OLD COMPANY was Frontier Software
PO BOX 113
Harrogate
N. Yorks
HG2 0BE
They made and supplied Printer buffers, Cartridge Port Clocks and Ram
upgrades for the ST. The Ram upgrades were cheap, of good quality and
generally considered the very best available for the ST. Apparently, they
went under about two weeks ago. The new company, MARPET Developments is
now operated by two former Frontier managers and is running from temporary
premises and a temporary phone number until they can set things up on a
permanent basis.
____________________________________________________
> STR Mail Call "...a place for the readers to be heard"
=============
STReport's MailBag
==================
From the FNET
Msg #29180 ( 53 of 53) Date: 04-11-92 (19:19)
To : LES PHILIPS
From: MARK K.
Subj: VARIOUS
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
- wow - you made your mark there mark !!
- So where was i unintelligent ??
- Just dont whack me with the fact i am leaving unintelligent messages -
- tell me why !!
- I am just trying to get some debate going on here - which i have not
- seen you doing too much of !!
I have been contributing to the Atari community for quite a while. In
case you are not aware, this are a few to mention: Review of the
"Profibuch" (USENET), help/suggestions to Mr. Varela who is the author of
the "German-To-English Translator" and some more.
I am currently majoring in Computer Eng. and have worked with systems
ranging from VM/CMS to IBM RISC/6000. I have seen Multitasking at it's
best and they certainly worked nicely.
I posted my article on MultiTOS AFTER I had seen it and tried it out.
It had bugs and at that stage was slow considering it was running on a
TT68030. How can someone claim that MultiTOS is the best if he/she never
tried it?
The Atari lines of computers are nice but lack good support and more
professional software. Some great products are Notator, Calamus SL,
TurboASM, Tempus and a few more that certainly deserve positive ratings.
I have never claimed that PCs are superb but they have more to offer
in terms of software. I don't want to put any product/company down but
Atari will have a though time competing in the future.
I am very neutral and there are pro/contra arguments that I could
bring up (which I did prior) but Atari users have to be realistic. The
"My Computer is the best in the world" mentality doesn't belong into the
professional world. Those are child-like statements and have and will not
lead anywhere. There should be great respect to other computers and
companies that try to compete on this market.
If you want to start an intelligent discussion than this are not
topics that should be discussed. I would like to see are more
info-"hungry" discussion.
Could anyone from the Atari Corporation answer the following
questions, or if any readers know the answers please send them to me:
1) Is there any particular reason why Atari has choosen a very similar
(actually they are the same) TT-SCSI pin layout as the Macintosh?
2) Why did Atari choose to use a non-standard cartridge slot format?
I am aware that some third party developers are producing adaptors
that will convert their 0.7087 inches "standard" to the more
common Insert Cut-Out of 1/10 inch. It seem also that not all
manufacturers carry the 40-pin dual readout card-edge receptacles.
More common onces are the 36 or 44 pin. The data has been taken
from EDAC Series connectors.
3) I have seen numerous complaints about the Monitor female and male
adaptors. Since this are very hard to obtain, many hobbiest are
having problems to make modifications/designs. A more typical
connector that could replace the "non-standard" connector on
the Atari would be the 13-pin Amphenol 92 Series Connectors.
It's a 13-pin connector with 1 1/4-18 coupling thread. Is there
any movement by Atari Corporation to adapt more easily obtainable
parts for their future lines of computers?
There has been a change in the ST(E) and TT lines. Atari has
adopted an industrial standard D-Sub Solder Cup - 15 pin connector.
It should be available in electronic business but it will certainly
be harder to find than the 2 row versions (8+7).
4 ) In the future lines of Atari computers, will there be a move towards
the engineering of a RISC system? Example would be Motorola's
equivalent of the Intel 80960 (80960KA, 80960KB and 80960MC).
A cost/performance ratio should be considered.
5) Bootable disks use several purposes which people should be aware of.
In the first process, BIOS "analyses" the bootsector during the
System initialization stage and jumps to the vector that is
contained in LONG $47A( hdv_boot) which specifis the routine of the
bootsector. The routine is used by the BIOS to see if there is a
bootsector and if it's bootable. The sector is loaded into a buffer
and the CRC (Cyclic Redundancy Check) is checked. If the result
turns out to be $1234 a jump into the first byte of the sector
occurs. The address of this buffer is not documented (I have
checked several sources including the released notes) thus a
position independant routine must be written.
Where (address) is the buffer?
6) Why Atari doesn't use the full horz. space of a line but instead
only 75% in the Atari TT is still a mystery. There would be no
problems (from the design point of view) to allow 800 to 900 pixels
per line instead of the current maximum of 640.
This are a few thoughts that just went through my mind. I would
certainly like to see all/some of the questions answered. Even though it
is easy to blame a company for their mistakes (and I will be the first one
to admit that they made a few), some aspects that never surfaced should be
kept in mind:
- The reason why the Atari TT is not as cheap as some people would like
to see is, they decided to use most of the ST parts in the TT thus
the final release came rather late (new design) and rather unnecessary
high cost (the usage of recent developed VLSI would have cut down
the cost dramatically).
- NOTE: FOR PROGRAMMERS [Reference: Atari Profibuch - SYBEX Germany]
------------------------------------------------------------------
Your fingers adopt very slowly to keyboard combinations. In August
1989 at the Developers Conference there were certain guidelines
set by the commision in order to make it more easy to the user. This
guidelines are universal thus should be adopted for every system
including PC, Atari, Macintosh, Amiga e.t.c.
Keyboard Combination | Function
---------------------|--------------------------
Ctrl-C | "copy"
Ctrl-F | "find"
Ctrl-O | "open"
Ctrl-Q | "quit"
Ctrl-V | "paste"
Ctrl-X | "cut"
Shift-"Arrow Up" | Page back
Shift-"Arrow Down" | Page up (next page)
Shift-"Arrow Left" | Beginning of line
Shift-"Arrow Right" | End of line
Ctrl-"Arrow Left" | One word back
Ctrl-"Arrow Right" | One word forward
Home | Beginning of the document
Shift-Home(Clr) | End of document
Keyboard Combination | Function
---------------------|--------------------------
Ctrl-A | Select all
Ctrl-G | Next (for searching)
Ctrl-M | Save as
Ctrl-N | New document
Ctrl-P | Print
Ctrl-S | Save
Ctrl-R | Replace
Ctrl-U | Close above window
Ctrl-W | Next window
Ctrl-Y | Delete line
Ctrl-Z | Start shell
There are a few Multitasking programs for the Atari on the market:
- Micro-RTX by Beckemeyer Development Tools, allows real-time
multitasking.
- MiNT ("MiNT Is Not TOS") by Eric Smith which tries to "imitate" Unix.
Some of the Unix-like features include Pipes, Redirection...
Latest version is 0.93 and the source code is also available.
- MultiGEM which was available since the CeBit '91. It will run on a TT.
With 6 GEM programs running on a TT there is only a small amount of
speed decrease noticeable. To switch between processes the activation
on a window is required or selection of a ACC.
You can run all "CLEAN" (very crutial in any of the above/below)
programs) programmed GEM programs and TOS programs (help of additonal
programs required).
- Minix was originally developed for the PC but ported to the Atari
market.
- MultiTOS is Atari's entry point into the multitasking world. It still
requires work in order to improve it. Atari took Eric Smith's concept
and tries currently to expand on it.
As you can see, Multitasking on the Atari computers is NOT new as some
people still assume. Multitasking has been around for MANY years on other
platforms and it's just now that Atari Corporation (and not a third party
developer(s)) realized the users wishes to have one.
For people who own a Monochrome monitor and would like to view color
only programs on it, here is a small job you can do to achive it:
-----------------------------
|
Pin 7 |
R ---------270R-----+ |
Pin 6 | |
G ---------120R-----+ |
Pin 10 | |
B ---------820R-----+ |
Pin 2 | |
H+V---------47R------+-------------- > To Coax =========> To Mono
Sync +--------- > Cable =========> Monitor
Pin 13 | |
GROUND -------------------+ |
|
-----------------------------
*Origin: Fnet Node 66, The Bre(/\)ery _ Ajax_Canada _
From GEnie
Category 32, Topic 11
Message 72 Sun Apr 12, 1992
C.F.JOHNSON [CodeHead] at 12:53 EDT
Boy oh boy! Am I ever excited about something. I can't get specific
just yet, folks ... but we've got something incredible waiting in the
wings, being groomed for its debut. And when I say "incredible," I _mean_
unbelievable, unprecedented, and incomparable. (I know, it sounds like
hype - - but I am absolutely certain that when this one comes out, you'll
agree with me.)
I'll say one thing about it -- if you're in the market for a word
processor, you just might want to wait a little while before buying any of
the currently available products. If you already own a word processor --
start looking for a buyer.
A *MAJOR* announcement is on the way. Stay tuned.
- Charles
From the FNET
Msg # 23 ( 3 of 10 ) Date: 04-12-92 (13:08)
To : RON KOVACS
From: JOHN MILLER
Subj: NON DISCLOSURE
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Previously L.Ron Kovacs wrote:
-
- John, I do not wish to debate you. What you call a lie is just your
- oposing opinion to my comments. However, your reply is not a problem
- and I sincerely hope this is not going to become a NEW feature. I am
- annoyed that I have to read messages from this conference in ST_REPORT.
- Although it really doesn't surprise me since the fool reprinting them
- doesn't have the balls to get up here and refute any alledged rumor,
- only call members here names and spray silling childlike comments all
- over the place.
My View? Comments that you have expressed regarding our BBS software,
constitute slander in my opinion, and could be used as a basis for a
lawsuit to compensate us for any damages resulting from such slander.
But you don't want to debate this. Instead, let's discuss this
conference.
Ralph would have gladly debated any of your views, if you hadn't
deleted his node (350) out of this conference. Lulu at node 378 would
also have gladly debated any of your opinions had you not deleted her node
from this conference also. If _you_ had any _balls_, you would apologize
to both these Sysops for deleting their nodes, and you would enter their
nodes back into this conference.
You would prefer instead, to scare folks into believing the following:
Behold L.Ron Kovacs and the Holy Doctrine, and obey all His
commandments, or face excommunication from the Holy Church of Znetology...
Right...
I hope that Ralph continues to use Qmail to capture any messages from
this conference. I hope he continues to publish any message from this
conference he feels like publishing. I hope he continues to make you look
like a fool. I hope this message ends up in STReport...
This or any other Fnet conference cannot be copyrighted as they are
freely networked and, any user can do what he likes with any and all
messages found in public conferences on a public bbs.
Unless you delete every node in this conference, I don't see how you
are going to stop anyone from capturing these messages, and doing what
they like with them.
John @ Turbo Board Support 416-274-1225 Turbonet 100:3/0 Fnet 18
From GEnie
Category 7, Topic 14
Message 19 Tue Apr 14, 1992
JEFF.W [ST Sysop] at 16:21 EDT
I just downloaded and read Doyle Helm's two part review of Silhouette in
the past couple of issues of STReport. I strongly suggest that anyone
looking for more information on Silhouette and a hands-on guided tour of
the program to do likewise. Doyle has done a nice job on the product
overview.
STR814.LZH is file #23552. STR815.LZH is file #23655.
Ralph, are there more segments of the Silhouette review coming in the next
few issues of STReport? While the overview of the product is covered very
nicely, the review doesn't go deep enough (for me) into the actual
performance of the program. I assume (uh-oh!) <grin> this is due to space
considerations. I'd like to see some real world examples of how Doyle has
tested the program, how fast it performed, how good the results were, how
is the learning curve, etc.
I can appreciate the difficulty of doing a review of a full-bodied product
like Silhouette without turning over an entire issue or two over to a
comprehensive and exhaustive review. But additional segments that go into
more detail spanning future issues would be great!
Editor Note:
Jeff... there will definately be further segments to Mr. Helms' review of
Tim Reyes' Silhouette.
From the FNET
Conf : Atari Technical
Msg# : 9975/9987 Lines: Extended Read: 2
Sent : Apr 13, 1992 at 06:30 AM
To : All
From : Clemens Chin at Fnet Node 467, SHERWOOD FOREST
Subj : TT Tower & TOS 3.06/AJAX
Well, I finally put my TT into a tower case (along with my external
floppy drive and SyQuest drive). Instead of picking up a clone case, I
decided to pick up a case specificly designed for the TT from a company in
London (the case is made by a German company). I was lucky enough to
track down a set of the TOS 3.06/AJAX/1.44 floppy upgrade at the same
time. Here's a review of my new "T^3"...
Installing the TT into the tower case was pretty much straight foward
and self explainitory (luckily since the english documentation wasn't
complete and I had half of the english docs and the german docs)... The
case includes a board that allows users to connect additional floppy
drives easily, adds an additional reset button to the front of the case
and monitors the thermosensor (which continuously monitors the system for
overheating).
Towards the front of the case there is a bay for the original 3.5"
hard drive (this bay is hidden, therefore, removable media will not be
suitable for this bay). There are also 3 exposed bays. Here is where I
put my new 1.44 meg floppy, 720 meg floppy and SyQuest mech. All bays are
verticle.
Installing the SyQuest was as simple as removing the old 50 pin ribbon
cable and replacing it with a longer one with an additional IDE plug. TOS
3.06 and AJAX went in within minutes. No problems at all.
II. Power Supply
Though everything is working flawlessly after running this set up for
four days non-stop, the power supply concerns me. Everything is powered
by the original TT power supply. It is rated at 64.6 watts (not much at
all). Still, it seems to be handling everything nicely; two floppies, a
hard drive, a SyQuest, an ST RAM board and a TT RAM board.
III. Future Upgrades
This case definitely has room for upgrading. The manufacturer of the
case even has an option for an internal VME card cage (with its own power
supply), Octobus (adds ability to drive up to four floppies, monitor
switching, bi-directional printer buffer and system protection) and power
outlets for 4 additional external peripherals (sort of like having a power
strip on your tower, no power surge supression though).
IV. Fit & Finish
The fit and finish is EXCELLENT. The holes for the TT's ports in the
rear are a perfect, vergin fit. Access to the Lan prt, Midi port,
Cartridge port and original reset button are not lost as opposed to going
with a clone case. Adding any of the above mentioned upgrades would
require prying off of part of the metal casing.
At 20" high x 6" wide x 16" deep, this case is not small. But it has
reduced to footprint of my original set up considerably (as well as
reduced the number of cables and power cords behind my desk). Also, the
case is very sturdy.
V. Problems and Difficulties
None! Installation went perfectly, the most difficult part being,
trying to align the drives so that the face plates are flush with the face
plate of the case!
Having done T16 upgrades, TOS upgrades, etc. Installation of the new
TOS 3.06 and AJAX were a snap.
I am also happy to announce that there is absolutely no visible RF
interference with the monitor as I had with the original TT case.
VI. Performance
Everything is performing as it should, no problems anywhere. Even
after continuous use (without powering down for four days), no heat
problems, no power problem, nothing.
TOS 3.06 is great, AJAX is excellent and the case is superb.
The case was flat out expensive. It cost 145 pounds (1 pound=$1.70,
estimate). Was it worth it? Well, I'm in love, so, I say "YES!" (You
don't know how long I've been trying to clear the clutter and cables from
my desk!)
TOS 3.06/AJAX/1.44 floppy cost me $185. Was it worth it? No doubts
about it! Selling my old hard drive case, floppy drive, etc. should
reduce the cost somewhat...
Interested in the case? (ST/Mega/STe/MSTe versions available)
Contact:
System Solutions
19 Sumner Workshops
80 Sumner Road
London SE15 6LA UK
Phone: 753-832212
Looking for TOS(2.06/3.06)/AJAX/1.44 floppy upgrade?
Contact:
Best Electronics
2021 The Alameda, Suite 290
San Jose, CA 95126
Phone: (408)243-6950
From GEnie
Category 4, Topic 11
Message 149 Fri Apr 17, 1992
J.ALLEN27 [FAST TECH] at 00:55 EDT
I've decided to let people who want 50Mhz chips for sure go get them
from a mail order source. We'll knock $95 off the Tiny030 price for those
who supply thier own 030 chip. We'll also test your chip for you right
away so you know you got a good one. Just buy it...$130? great...and send
it in, we'll test it immediately, then put it aside for your unit. We'll
also cover the unit including the chip under the normal warranty. How's
that for flexibility?
All 50Mhz 030 equipped units will ship at 50Mhz, we've thoroughly
tested the design now at 50, so away we go!!
Further tuning report...Turbo030 running at 40Mhz:
NBM mem = 1.78
math = 2.23
dial = 5.05
graf = 10.83
QI 2.2
memory 1110
reg 1024
div 1268
shf 4457
txt 1084
str 5053
scr 160
draw 1792
Dynacadd 3D cup.... 30 secs
Nevin's Pagestream test:
8Mhz ST.........161 secs
32Mhz TT..........31 secs
40Mhz Turbo030-4..20 secs
50Mhz Turbo030-4..16 secs
I still need to get the blitter talking to the 32bit ram, page mode
turned on, and the 32bit video turbocharging on. Also need to test my
"rom-ram" utility. Should be a long weekend ;-)
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