ST Report: 25-May-90 #621
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Subject: ST Report: 25-May-90 #621
Date: Mon Jun 11 00:56:22 1990
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> The Editor's Podium?
This weekend heralds the beginning of summer 1990, Memorial Day
Weekend the time for the "Indy 500" and many other enjoyable annual
celebrations. For example, the official opening of the beaches in the
northern climes and of course, the seasonal openings of the many amusement
parks around this great nation. What does all this have to do with
computers? Not a doggone thing except that if this issue were to depend
on bringing the readers positive, solid information about the world of
Atari, we would have to forfeit this week's issue, well.... almost.
Atari & Russia, how very reassuring! What a marvelous idea! Without
a doubt, a marketing stroke of genius! Surely, these comments echoed
through the hallowed executive halls and washrooms out at 'you know
where'. After all, who better to congratulate them then themselves? The
'other side of the coin' is also looming large on the horizon, according
to Atari's Pratt, they're going to play "Let's make a deal" with the
Russians involving computers for DRAM chips. But think about this folks,
when will the USA see any real market penetration by Atari? Are the
loyal US users about to take a deeper back seat? For Atari to get the
Russian DRAM, they must ship computers to Russia.
Between the existing European, Canadian and other world markets, where
will all this leave the USA? Will the accommodating and apologetic
statements sound like.. "While Atari sincerely wishes to ship all of its
product to the US Computer Market now, it has to live up to its agreements
in Eastern Europe." Or, "Atari now boasts of being the leading computer
in use in Eastern Europe while the US userbase has remained at a loyal
500,000 for the past four years. And, "The vast flow of new software
originating from the Eastern European Market has bolstered the Atari
Computer markets in its other market areas." When.. when is the * USA *
going to get the real flow of product? At the rate we are going, that
will remain the $64,000 question. Strange, but in looking back at past
issues of STReport, the very same question was being asked every year for
the last two years.....
In light of the successes of all the letter writing campaigns and of
course, the "Revolution" (tongue in cheek), USA's Atarians can now bask in
the sweet light of knowing they will be seeing all the products on the
dealers shelves. POP! And then the lights really went on. Those who
really must feel let down are the many loyal users who sent Atari the
many letters of endorsement and support over the past two years where they
have found that the critiques in the onlines etc., were in their opinions,
far too critical of Atari and its adept marketing and sales procedures in
the USA. Like the man says... "You ain't seen nuthin yet!" Wait 'till
they get cookin' with the Eastern Europeans. While STReport welcomes the
opportunity to congratulate Atari for its apparent success with the
Russians, we in all fairness to the USA's users, fervently entreat the
powers that be at Atari to NOT make the US Atari Computer marketplace
wednesday's child for another year. Simply put, the US Atari computer
market shows every sign of not surviving if it is handled in the same
lackadaisical manner it has been for the last two years.
Whichever way it goes, we, the diehards, will be here waiting while
we continue clearing the cobwebs from our shelves where we made room for
the new goodies....
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> CPU REPORT?
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Issue # 68
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by Michael Arthur
Remember When....
In May 1973, the first non-kit microprocessor-based computer (called
the Micral) was introduced, and how the term, "microcomputer" was
first used to describe it?
Or how, in January 1975, an article in Popular Electronics described
the first "personal computer", the MITS Altair 8800, which (along with
the Micral) was based on the Intel 8800 chip?
CPU Systems Roundup? XXVIII
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THE AMIGA 3000, 68030 TT, AND TALES OF WORKSTATION LORE
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When the first round of Unix-capable 80386 PCs first reached the
market, much interest was turned towards how a reasonably powerful
Unix-compatible low-end workstation would do in the growing 'Personal
Workstation' segment of the computer industry. Commodore has reopened
this debate by introducing the Amiga 3000, a $4000.00 68030 Unix
workstation which appears to be poised at taking a significant share of
both the Multimedia Market, and some of the low/middle end of the Unix
Computer industry. Since this is the same niche that the 68030 TT was
intended for, let us both take a look at the Amiga 3000, and compare it to
the 68030 TT, in order to gain a more objective perspective of this
growing situation:
The Amiga 3000 is based on the Motorola 68030 chip, and uses either a
16 MHZ 68881, or a 25 MHZ 68882 Floating Point Math Chip. It comes with
1 Meg of Chip RAM onboard (expandable to 2 Megs onboard), and 1 Meg of
Fast RAM onboard (expandable to 4 Megs Onboard). It also comes with a
23-pin Amiga video port, a 15-pin VGA Multisync Monitor port, a DMA-based
SCSI Port, an RS-232 port, and a Parallel port. The Amiga 3000 supports
a total of 3 internal 3.5" disk drives, and has an internal 40 Meg Hard
Drive as standard.
The Amiga 3000 uses the 32-bit Zorro III Expansion Bus Architecture,
which is downward compatible with Zorro II (Amiga 2000) Boards. In order
to do this, it multiplexes the address and data lines of Zorro III-based
cards. The A3000 (or Amiga 3000) has 4 Zorro III Expansion Slots onboard,
as well as 1 100-pin Video Slot (for attaching Genlocks or Video Cards),
and 2 100-pin AT Expansion Slots, for use with Commodore's Bridgeboard PC
Emulation boards. It also features a 200-pin CPU Expansion Slot, with
processor takeover capability, and support for a CPU Cache Board. With
this Slot, the Amiga 3000 can easily support CPU Accelerator Cards....
The Amiga 3000 motherboard uses over 9 Custom Chips as Coprocessors.
Three chips, codenamed "Fat Agnes", "Daphne", and "Super Denise", are a
set of Graphics/Sound Coprocessors known the Amiga Enhanced Chip Set. In
the Amiga 3000 version of the ECS, hardware support for 60 Hz (PAL) video
on European machines is included. Here is a list of some of the graphics
modes supported by Amiga 3000's Enhanced Chip Set (or ECS):
- 320*200 with 4096 Colors displayable at the same time.
- 640x256 with 64 displayable colors out of a 4096 color palette.
- 640x480, with 4 displayable colors out of a 64 color palette.
- 640x960, with 4 colors out of a 64 color palette (interlaced)
- 1280x200, with 2 - 4 colors out of a 64 color palette
- 1280x400, with 2 - 4 colors out of a 64 color palette (interlaced)
In all, the Amiga 3000 uses 9 Custom Chips as coprocessors,
including the ECS and these chips:
1> RAMSES Chip - 32 bit fast RAM support Custom Controller supporting
static column mode DRAMs and allowing the CPU to
perform DMA Burst-Mode access to RAM.
2> AMBER Chip - Video Display Enhancer chip, which provides
deinterlaced displays for certain Enhanced Chip Set
resolutions, provided that a multiscanning (or
Multisync) Monitor is used....
(Note: The 1280*400 resolution cannot be deinterlaced with the Amber
chip, and it cannot display the 1280*200 mode on a VGA Monitor
by itself....)
3> DMA SCSI chip - SCSI Controller which Supports 32bit DMA (Direct Memory
Access) Data Transfers through the SCSI Port.
Commodore makes two versions of the Amiga 3000:
1) The Amiga 3000/16, with a 16 MHZ 68030 and a 16 MHZ 68881
Floating Point Math Chip
2) The Amiga 3000/25, with a 25 MHZ 68030 and a 25 MHZ 68882
Floating Point Math Chip.
Interestingly enough, it seems that the Amiga 3000/25 uses a 16 MHZ
memory subsystem, meaning that its speed performance will be injured by
waitstates when it accesses memory. As such, the Amiga 3000/16 will be
featured in this article, as it will not encounter a similar slowdown,
and is only 10 - 20 percent slower at "real-world software applications"
than the more expensive Amiga 3000/25....
Graphic Comparison of the features of the 68030 TT and Amiga 3000:
Atari TT/Amiga 3000 Features List:
(Comparison of each Systems' Features)
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System Features| Atari TT030/2 | Amiga 3000/16 |
and Components | Base System: $3000.00 | Base System: $3300.00 |
---------------|------------------------------|--------------------------|
Processing | 16 MHZ Motorola 68030 chip |16 MHZ Motorola 68030 chip|
Features | 16 MHZ 68882 Math Chip |16 MHZ Motorola 68881 chip|
---------------|------------------------------|--------------------------|
Megabytes of | 2 Megabytes of 32-Bit RAM | 1 Meg of 32-Bit DRAM |
Standard RAM | used as "Chip" RAM | 1 Meg of "Chip" RAM |
---------------|------------------------------|--------------------------|
Description of |TT TOS. (AT&T Unix V.3.2 with |AmigaDOS 2.0/WorkBench 2.0|
Operating |X/Windows V11 & the X/Desktop | (AT&T Unix V.4 scheduled |
Features |GUI need 4 - 6 Megs of RAM) |for Sept.1990 - Jan. 1991)|
---------------|------------------------------|--------------------------|
Type of Bus | 32-Bit VME Bus Architecture | 32-Bit Zorro III Bus |
Architecture | with Two Expansion Slots | with 4 Expansion Slots |
---------------|------------------------------|--------------------------|
| # of Displayable Colors | # of Displayable Colors |
| 1280*960 in Monochrome | 1280*200 w/2 Colors |
| 640*480 w/16 Colors | 640*400 w/4 Colors |
Graphic Display| 320*480 w/256 Colors | 320*200 w/4096 Colors |
Resolutions and| | (w/o interlace flicker) |
Capabilities | | |
| The TT supports the ST's |Most Amiga Graphics Modes |
|resolutions, and has a 12-Bit |in the Amiga ECS support a|
|per Pixel (4096 Color) Palette| 12-Bit Per Pixel Palette |
---------------|------------------------------|--------------------------|
Standard Amount| 40 Megabyte Internal | 40 Megabyte Internal |
of Mass Storage| Hard Drive | Hard Drive |
---------------|------------------------------|--------------------------|
Built in I/O |Atari ST Ports, and [1] SCSI | Amiga 2000 Ports, and |
Ports | [1] DMA [1] Appletalk Port | [1] SCSI/DMA Port |
---------------|------------------------------|--------------------------|
Sound/Audio |Uses Digital Sound Chip for 8 |Uses Amiga Custom Chip for|
Capabilities |Stereo Sound Channels (Voices)| 4 Stereo Sound Channels |
---------------|------------------------------|--------------------------|
Networking |Sun Network File System (NFS),|TCP/IP, NFS, Ethernet are |
Capabilities |TCP/IP, and AppleTalk Port | available at extra cost |
---------------'------------------------------'--------------------------'
Based on both this graph, and last week's System Descriptions,
presented below is a comparative analyses of both systems, which are
classified according to the above topics:
Processing Speed:
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Since both workstations use a 16 MHZ Motorola 68030 chip, and have a
68881 Floating Point Math chip, the only way to determine which computer
is the "fastest" is to look at their architectures. Both the 68030 TT and
the Amiga 3000 have a special segment of RAM which, while slower than
standard System RAM, is accessible by both the systems' custom chips (as
Video RAM for Graphics Coprocessors), and by their CPU as System RAM. This
is called "Chip RAM" in the Amiga world. Both the A3000 and the TT
support up to 2 Megs of Chip RAM. It is also notable that Chip RAM is
significantly slower than Fast RAM (or memory accessible only by the CPU).
The Amiga also uses "Chip RAM" to store the currently displaying
graphics of any application it runs in Windows. When it runs out of "Chip
RAM memory" to allocate to Amiga apps, it can't open any more windows.
Meaning that an Amiga then can't run any new programs without killing off
a program that is currently running. This isn't a problem with the 68030
TT (as TOS doesn't multitask and Atari Unix doesn't suffer this
limitation), and the average Amiga User would probably not encounter this
problem on a regular basis....
Another thing that the Amiga 3000 and 68030 TT have in common is a
less-than-straightforward approach to supporting CPU Caches. While the
Amiga 3000's CPU Slot has the pins necessary to support CPU caching, it is
still limited in that CPU Caches can only assist the 68030's built in data
cache, and must be very careful only to cache the Amiga's Fast RAM. On
the Amiga, Chip RAM cannot be Cached since it is accessed and modified
directly by the Enhanced Chip Set, at memory locations which aren't
predictable enough to allow caching of actual data stored by the CPU in
Chip RAM. But on the other hand, while this isn't an issue with the TT,
Atari hasn't included any direct cache support for it....
The 68030 TT and Amiga 3000 both use a 32-bit Bus architecture. The
Amiga 3000 uses its new Zorro III bus, and has included support for
Burst-Mode DMA (Direct Memory Access) Transfers of 20 - 25 Megabits Per
Second, with a theoretical limit of 33 Mbits/Second. This means that the
Amiga 3000/16 will be able to access data from memory at a respectable
rate. The 68030 TT uses the VME Bus Architecture, which is also capable
of similar Data Transfer rates, so one does not surpass the other in this
sense to a certain extent....
However, one main issue is Graphics modes. Some of the graphics
capabilities supported by the Enhanced Chip Set tend to take up a great
amount of CPU time. For example, if one tries to display 16 colors at a
640*400 resolution, one experiences a noticeable slowdown in system
performance. However, Atari has made sure that the TT's graphics
capabilities don't produce a significant decline in system performance.
In other ECS Graphics Modes this is not an issue.
Here are Dhrystone Ratings for the 68030 TT and Amiga 3000, as
performed by Atari and Commodore:
A3000 (16 MHz) A3000 (25 Mhz) 68030 TT
Normal 4300 6050 N/A
w/Registers 4400 6225 5700
68020 4770 6800 N/A
68020/Reg 4970 7000 N/A
Lattice C 5.0 was used for the Amiga 3000, while Turbo C 2.0 was used for
the 68030 TT results..
Normal = Compiler set to 68000 Code Generation
68020 = Set to generate 32-bit Code
Operating System Features:
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First Place - Amiga 3000. While both the 68030 TT and Amiga 3000 will run
Unix, the Amiga 3000's native OS (read: AmigaDOS/Exec) provides several
features (like multitasking and Arexx's Interprocess Communications tools)
which aren't available in TT TOS. However, Atari Unix for the 68030 TT
provides X/Desktop 2.0 (a GEM-like X/Windows Desktop and Graphical User
Interface), while Commodore has announced no similar File Manager/Desktop
for Amiga Unix. But this, in the short term, won't matter as much to many
A3000 or TT Users as AmigaDOS and TOS.
Atari TT030/2 Unix Notes:
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The 68030 TT uses a version of AT&T Unix Version 5.3 (with support
for Berkeley Unix). Called ATX (or Atari Unix), it also supports the
TCP/IP and NFS networking standards. Atari has also gotten Ixi Ltd. to
port X/Desktop, a GEM-like Graphical User Interface (GUI) running under
X/Windows, to the TT. This means that the TT has the power of Unix,
combined with a Unix GUI to make it easier to use. Furthermore, X/Desktop
is also supported by several Unix vendors (including IBM and SCO), meaning
that if Atari R&D works with Unix software companies, that the 68030 TT
will have no lack of GUI-capable Unix software....
Amiga 3000 Unix Notes:
----------------------
The Amiga 3000 uses a version of AT&T Unix Version 5.4, which
supports both Berkeley Unix and SCO Xenix programs. It also comes with
Sun's Open Look Graphical User Interface. Called Amiga Unix (or AMIX),
it will be bundled with the Network File System, the TCP/IP federal
network standard, and (reportedly) X/Windows 11.2. Commodore is also
working to include Motorola's 68000 ABI (Applications Binary Interface),
in AMIX. Such a feature would allow any ABI-compatible Unix program
written for any 68000-based computer to run on the Amiga without
modification or porting needed....
Expandability:
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First Place - Atari 68030 TT. It uses the VME Expansion Bus, which is
not only used in Sun Workstations, but has been a standard for years. As
a result, there are literally hundreds of VME cards out on the market,
serving almost any conceivable function. In comparison, the Amiga 3000's
Expansion Bus Architecture doesn't have any 32-bit Expansion Cards
available for it yet....
I/O Ports/Networking:
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First Place - Atari 68030 TT. While the Amiga 3000 has some add-on
products available for it providing ArcNet, DECNet, and Ethernet support,
the TT030/2 has as standard all of the I/O ports (SCSI, RS-232, and
AppleTalk ports) necessary to make it a desirable entry in the low-end
workstation market. Atari is also developing an Ethernet card for the
TT030/2, and the TT030/6 (the 6 Meg Tower version of the TT) will feature
an Ethernet Port.
In terms of software support for computer networking, both Amiga Unix
and ATX (Atari Unix for the 68030 TT) will support TCP/IP and the Network
File System (NFS), which are Unix standards for accessing files and
resources over a Network. However, while both the A3000 and 68030 TT
will have solid networking software tools, the 68030 TT having a network
port as standard gives it a greater advantage....
Market Outlook for the Amiga 3000 and 68030 TT
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Amiga 3000 Outlook:
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The Amiga 3000 has a great deal of potential, as the first low-end
68030-based workstation currently available. As it runs AmigaDOS, many
Amigans are starting to buy it to replace their old systems. This trend
will certainly continue, and the Amiga 3000 will quickly become prevalent
in the Amiga community. With its 32-Bit Zorro III Bus Architecture
supporting both 20-25 Mbit/Second Data Transfer rates and faster CPU
accelerator boards, the Amiga 3000 provides much greater potential for
expansion board makers than any other previous Amigas.
However, in order to gain strong momentum in the Computer Industry,
Commodore has to sell to a wider audience. The Amiga has gained a
reputation for being the first capable "multimedia", or "desktop video"
computer, for the great mass of graphics/CAD rendering/animation products
currently taking advantage of its graphics/sound abilities. With
multimedia gaining more clout as an "industry buzzword", Commodore is
trying to use the Amiga's reputation to give the A3000 a foothold in the
business market. It will be interesting to see how this situation
develops, as the Amiga 3000 provides solid processing capabilities, but
has graphics capabilities that have already been overcome by both Mac II
Color Boards, and the VGA/SuperVGA standard. It seems that Commodore's
greatest struggle in the multimedia market is both getting "big name"
software companies to write products for the Amiga 3000, and maintains the
Amiga's current advantages in graphics/animation software, and other video
products like Genlocks and video effects tools. Of course, with many
developers now writing multimedia software for the IBM and Mac....
Also, while the Amiga's OS (no matter what one's opinions of it are)
does provide a working multitasking system, it definitely doesn't have
enough support to carry the A3000 in the business market. As Unix does
have a growing base of industry support, a software base with products
undreamed of by Amigans, and many capabilities which won't be supported by
the Amiga's OS (like multiuser support), Commodore is also targeting the
Amiga 3000 at this market, as a low-end Unix Workstation. With its good
processing and data transfer speeds, the Amiga 3000 is definitely a viable
option in this area. Many workstation vendors, including Sun, DEC, and
IBM, are starting to focus on this area, however, so Commodore has a huge
task ahead. And as the Amiga also has a reputation as a game machine,
Commodore will have to increase its efforts in boosting the Amiga as a
"multimedia engine" in order to succeed in the Unix market....
68030 TT Outlook:
-----------------
Since the 68030 TT runs TOS, has many improvements over its
predecessor (including VGA-style graphics), and has an industry-standard
expansion bus, the TT seems a fitting upgrade to the Atari ST. Being in
the $2500 to $5000.00 price range, the 68030 TT is obviously aimed at the
middle to high end of the market, and is intended for the ST User who
wants to upgrade to a more powerful system. Given all this, the 68030 TT
seems destined to become the ST's successor.
But since it is in the same price range as the Mega ST's, is aimed at
the same market, and uses an industry standard bus (while Atari shunned
the Mega ST's expansion bus to the effect that there are VERY few boards
out for it), the 68030 TT makes the Mega ST obsolete. And since Atari
will probably not support any good policy allowing ST owners to trade-in
their Megas and upgrade to the 68030 TT for a worthwhile (and profitable)
price, the TT may be a harbinger of tough luck for present Mega ST
owners....
The TT030/2 is directly poised at the new 'Personal Workstation'
market, which promises to grow into a billion-dollar industry in the next
few years. It meets all the requirements for a workstation, as it has
AT&T Unix, compatibility with standard LAN Networking Systems, and
graphics which, though not spectacular, would be a desired asset for many
low-end workstations.
Furthermore, large organizations (notably the U.S. Government) who
have bought high-end microcomputers or workstations often need to
interconnect them through LAN Networks, but cannot afford the cost to buy
similarly powered computers for their entire staff. The 68030 TT could
provide these businesses with an efficient "X/Windows Terminal" for use
as an inexpensive Node in a LAN Network. And while this market may seem
mundane or prosaic, it seems that this may be the largest untapped market
in the workstation industry. But as I said before, several companies
(Sun, IBM, and Apollo, for example) are beginning efforts to tap this
market, so....
Given that low-end Unix workstations are only now beginning to target
this niche, the TT030/2 has a unique opportunity to propel Atari into the
middle/high end of the microcomputer market. The TT030/2 will be
especially popular in Europe, where there is a massive need for good Unix
workstations, and where Atari has enough clout to make the TT a standard
in the business market.
However, the 68030 TT may not be so lucky in the US, where most
people who need Unix would be more likely to consider a Sun or IBM
Compatible. In order to get a foothold into this market, Atari will not
only have to produce quality products, but gain a good reputation for
supporting them in the Unix marketplace. While Atari has always made good
products, the potential for ENORMOUS revenue that Atari could make off the
68030 TT will be seriously jeopardized if plans aren't established for
Third-party Unix Software support, and a Sales and Technical Support
Division capable of handling marketing and support efforts to large
organizations. Notably, Sun has built its businesses on having Regional
Sales and Support Teams, which can handle workstation sales and support on
a personal basis with its Customers....
One way that Atari could quickly establish such a sales force is to
build relationships with currently available options. For example, if
Atari were to get Computerland or Businessland to sell TT030/2's, not only
would Atari have a TREMENDOUS sales tool for their computer, but the
technical support resources needed for Atari to endear itself to business
would come with the package. Also, the publicity that would result from
such a deal would be priceless advertising for the ST line. But the main
reason for Atari being advised to do such a move is that Business-related
Computer Centers like Computerland may be one of Atari's only options for
obtaining decent sales and support for 68030 TTs among businesses and
organizations such as universities....
CPU MacNews?
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Apple Makes Bid to Regain Educational Market, Delays System 7.0
---------------------------------------------------------------
Apple Computer has announced that it will be providing Educational
Sales discounts of around 40 - 60 percent for its Macintosh Plus and SE
line of computers. With this discount, schools and universities will be
able, for example, to purchase a Mac Plus for $700 - $1100, a Mac SE for
around $1500, and a Mac SE/30 for $2300 - $2600....
Many industry analysts see this as both an attempt to displace the
millions of aging Apple II computers now in the educational market, and to
regain its share of the Educational Computer Market. Dataquest Inc.,
states that Apple now has a 42 percent share in this market, while it had
a 58 percent share in 1988. Interestingly, many Apple II users have
expressed great concern over the possibility of Apple "phasing out" their
computer line. Also, Apple officials have commented that a low-cost
version of the Mac (rumored to cost $2500 - $3000) will be introduced in
1991, and one official recently said that Apple II compatibility was a
"major concern" for such a machine....
Apple has also announced that Version 7.0 of the Macintosh System
Software won't be shipping until 1991. Apple first announced System 7.0
in May of 1989, and had last said that it would be available before
September. While many Macintosh Developers have System 7.0 Development
Kits, Apple has experienced problems both debugging several new features
of System 7.0, and making it run comfortably with large applications on
Macintoshes with 2 Megs of RAM....
But ponder, if you will, these questions:
1) Would widespread coverage among the computer industry media be a more
effective means of "advertising" the 68030 TT?
2) Given that the current Motorola/Hitachi suit is on appeal now, what
would happen if Apple only now was in the beginning stages of
developing a 68040-based Macintosh?
> CPU STATUS REPORT?
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- Washington, DC CEOs FORM COMPUTER INDUSTRY LOBBYING GROUP
--------------
Several computer company CEOs, including John Sculley (of Apple),
Scott McNealy (of Sun Microsystems), and John Akers (of IBM), have started
a lobbying group called the Computer Systems Policy Project, with John
Young (Hewlett Packard's CEO) as its Chairman. CSPP will first turn its
efforts towards identifying foreign markets which are closed to US
Companies, and improving US Companies' access to foreign markets.
The CSPP will also work for strengthened "anti-dumping regulations",
or laws prohibiting foreign companies to sell products at a cost which is
unrealistically below their market or manufacturing cost. The latter
concern was heightened by the collapse of the US DRAM Chip Industry, in
which Japanese chipmakers were able to gain dominance by "dumping" DRAM
Chips onto the US market in order to gain market share. In this regard,
the CSPP is working for the establishment of "realistic cost calculations"
to determine fair pricing levels for products, and better ways to prevent
companies to evade anti-dumping laws.
US Trade Representatives are currently involved with negotiations on
the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (or GATT), which is a 97-nation
treaty which regulates trade issues (such as tariffs). A new GATT Treaty
is expected to be completed before the end of 1990. The CSPP intends to
work as an advisory group for the US in these negotiations.
- Armonk, NY IBM INTRODUCES NEW LINE OF PS/2 HOME COMPUTERS
----------
IBM has recently introduced the IBM PS/2 Model 25 286, a personal
computer for the small business/educational market with a 12 MHZ 80286
chip, 1 Megabyte of RAM (expandable to 4 MB onboard), a 1.44 Meg Disk
Drive, and VGA Graphics. Cost: $2300.00 w/o hard drive, $3000.00 with a
30 Meg Hard Drive.
This PS/2 is notably IBM's first low-end system to support VGA, and
is being marketed as a price/performance alternative for small businesses,
LAN Network nodes, and the educational market. Interestingly, IBM is
expected to introduce several "multimedia peripherals" for this machine,
including a CD-ROM Drive....
- Cupertino, CA PETER NORTON COMPUTING PLANS MERGER WITH SYMANTEC
-------------
Symantec Corp. has recently reached an agreement to merge with Peter
Norton Computing. In this merger (to be completed in August 1990), Peter
Norton becomes a member of the Symantec Board of Directors, and will aid
in product design and development for both the Norton Utilities, and
Symantec line of products. Interestingly, it seems that Peter Norton
decided to merge his company as an alternative to "taking it public" (or
issuing out shares of stock for his company)....
- Little Rock, AK SUPERCONDUCTOR PATENT BATTLE BEGINS NEW FRONT
---------------
The University of Arkansas has announced that it has recently won a
fairly broad patent for thallium-based superconductors. Several
researchers have found that this type of superconductor holds some of the
greatest promise for developing higher-temperature superconductors. One of
them, IBM, has obtained a patent for a relatively narrow application of
this technology.
Interestingly, it seems that superconductor research has led up to a
series of patent infringement lawsuits. Four groups, including IBM and
DuPont, are currently fighting over patent rights for yttrium-based
superconductors. The University of Arkansas' move is expected to trigger
a similar incident between it and IBM....
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> STUDENT DISCOUNTS STR OnLine? Students need Atari STs too!
============================
From: fnddr@acad3.fai.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Educational discount.
Message-ID: <1990May7.051335.19966@hayes.fai.alaska.edu>
Date: 7 May 90 05:13:35 GMT
Sender: usenet@hayes.fai.alaska.edu (news 'R' us)
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Lines: 64
In article <35003@shemp.CS.UCLA.EDU>, stephen@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Steve
Whitney) writes...
>> Yep... I believe that Atari would pick up _more_ than a few sales by
It has been pointed out numerous times over the years in this group that
Atari doesn't want to sell machines in the US, and they are doing an
excellent job of it. However, if they ever change their minds,
educational discounts would be a good start. I actually recall them
advertising a small discount a few years ago as part of a back-to-school
promotion.
>> 1) Making ST, Mega, TT _available_ at university computer shops in
> the first place.
Very important.
The Atari store is across town from this campus. Many students don't own
cars. Those that do have a hard time getting off campus during normal
business hours due to classes and classwork. Why should they bother to
drive a few miles to check out Atari when they can purchase Apple, IBM,
Toshiba, Zenith, NeXT, etc on campus (with the cooperation of the local
dealers, I might add)?
>> 2) Offering a student discount on said machines
I've asked the local Atari dealer several times why they haven't pushed
for this. Their answer: "Atari's prices are already lower than anybody
else, so why bother?" This is of course false. Also, I've noticed many
students seem to believe that if brand X offers a discount and brand Y
doesn't, then it must be cheaper to buy the brand X system. Faculty say
things like, "the brand X discount program shows that they are committed
to higher education; brand Y obviously isn't, so avoid them." Brand Y is,
of course, Atari.
>> 3) Placing ads in campus rags like Apple, Zenith, IBM, and NeXT do.
The Atari dealer does here, periodically. It seems to help somewhat in
offsetting the damage done by lack of (1) and (2), in that there are some
students and faculty who have STs.
I would also add:
4) Introduce an ST variant with built-in thinwire ethernet.
On this campus and many others, a machine won't even be considered
for classroom/lab use if it can't be networked. And students want
to buy the same machines used in the classes and labs so they can
use familiar software with it.
>> It wouldn't be too tough to do, I imagine. Even step 2 could be
>> implemented by itself just to nullify the competition's power/price
>> advantage.
Sad but true. You can mail-order fast 286 and 386sx systems w/hard disk
for the cost of the Megas, and the university discounted Apple and other
big-name systems are comparable in price.
>> --
>> Steve Whitney "It's never _really_ the last minute" (())_-_(())
>> UCLA Comp. Sci. Grad. Student | (* *) |
>> Internet: stephen@cs.ucla.edu UCLA Bruin--> { \_@_/ }
>> GEnie: S.WHITNEY `-----'
I'm not even a student anymore, so I'm not arguing for a student discount
because it wouldn't do me any good. I would just like to see Atari go for
the university market, because it seems to me like one of the few options
they have left to find a niche for themselves. Even though my STs are 4
years old, I'd hate to see them orphaned when the parent company dies. I
certainly don't plan to buy more Atari equipment until I see some evidence
of intelligent life in Sunnyvale, though.
Don Rice Internet: fnddr@acad3.fai.alaska.edu
Geophysical Institute E-mail: fnddr@alaska.bitnet
University of Alaska Phone: (907) 474-7569
Fairbanks, AK 99775 Loran: 64.86N 212.16E
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> PRODUCT AVAILABILITY STR InfoFile? Listings of "available goods"
=================================
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/ /\ \ | | / /\ \ | |___| | | | / /_____ / /
/ /__\ \ | | / /__\ \ | ___ / | | /_____ / / /
/ ______ \ | | / ______ \ | | \ \ | | ______/ / / /
/_/ \_\ |_| /_/ \_\ |_| \_\ |_| /_______/ /_/
PRODUCT AVAILABILITY UPDATE FOR DEALERS AND DISTRIBUTORS
** ** **
TO: ALL ATARI DEALERS AND DISTRIBUTORS ** ** **
FR: ATARI U.S. ** ** **
DA: May 21, 1990 ** ** **
** ** **
RE: PRODUCT AVAILABILITY *** ** ***
**************************************************************************
Attention all dealers and distributors of Atari products in the United
States. Review your inventory at this time. The items below are NOW IN
STOCK. It is highly recommended that you make your inquiries and place
your orders as rapidly as possible. Make certain your back orders are
covered and open customer orders are filled. Information contained herein
is as of May 21, 1990 per Mr. William Crouch, V.P. Sales Atari. Place
your orders through your local representative or call (408)745-2000 and
ask for dealer sales.
**************************************************************************
520ST - NOW IN STOCK!
MEGA 4 - IN STOCK - READY TO SHIP!
SF354 - ASK ABOUT A SPECIAL PRICE ON SINGLE SIDED DRIVES!
SC1224 - Color Monitors IN STOCK - DON'T WAIT - BUY UP NOW
SM124 - AVAILABLE NOW!
SLM804 - NOW AVAILABLE!
MEGAFILE 30 - JUST ARRIVED - BUY IN QUANTITY AND SAVE
MEGAFILE 60 - JUST ARRIVED - NEW LOW PRICE FOR QUANTITY PURCHASES!
MEGAFILE 44 - REMOVABLE HARD DRIVES NOW IN STOCK!!!
LYNX SYSTEMS - NATIONAL ADVERTISING BREAKING THIS WEEK - BUY NOW!
GAUNTLET - ORDER NOW!!!
PORTFOLIO - NOW PACKED WITH FILEMANAGER/TUTORIAL CARDS - CALL FOR INFO!
** IMPORTANT ** IMPORTANT ** IMPORTANT ** IMPORTANT ** IMPORTANT **
ATARI'S WAREHOUSE WILL BE CLOSED AND WILL NOT BE SHIPPING NEXT WEEK FOR
INVENTORY (06/28 THROUGH 06/31). IF YOU WISH TO BE ASSURED IN RECEIVING
THE ITEMS YOU ORDERED ASAP.. PLEASE, PLACE YOUR ORDER IMMEDIATELY.
Additional updates will be posted when available. All quantities and
price reductions limited to stock on hand. Please post this notice for
all dealers.
*** END OF MESSAGE ***
Editor Note;
One can't help but wonder if this type message is the precursor to the
news that the lines of communications in the actual dealer network are
spotty... if in place any longer at all. Why would Atari place Dealer and
Distributor info in the public fora?
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> Stock Market ~ CPU NewsWire? Watchin' the Sheckles Grow!
===========================
THE TICKERTAPE
==============
by Michael Arthur
Concept by Glenn Gorman
The price of Atari Stock went up 1/8 of a point on Monday, and went
down 1/4 of a point on Tuesday. On Wednesday, Atari Stock went down 1/8
of a point, and went down 1/8 of a point on Thursday. On Friday, it went
up 1/4 of a point. Finishing up the week at 5 points, the price of Atari
Stock is down 1/8 of a point since the last report.
Apple Stock was down 2 7/8 points from Friday, May 12, 1990.
Commodore Stock was down 1/4 of a point from 5/12/90.
IBM Stock was up 1 3/8 points from 5/12/90.
Stock Report for Week of 5/14/90 to 5/18/90
_________________________________________________________________________
STock| Monday | Tuesday | Wednesday | Thursday | Friday |
Reprt|Last Chg.|Last Chg.|Last Chg.|Last Chg.|Last Chg.|
-----|-------------|-------------|------------|------------|-------------|
Atari|5 1/4 + 1/8| 5 - 1/4|4 7/8 -1/8|4 3/4 -1/8| 5 + 1/4|
| | | | | 63,600 Sls |
-----|-------------+-------------+------------+------------+-------------|
CBM |7 1/2 - 1/4|7 3/8 - 1/8|7 5/8 +1/4|7 5/8 ----|7 1/2 - 1/8|
| | | | | 143,000 Sls |
-----|-------------+-------------+------------+------------+-------------|
Apple|41 3/4 - 7/8|41 3/4 ----|41 1/2 -1/4|41 1/2 ----|39 3/4 -1 3/4|
| | | | |2,307,700 Sls|
-----|-------------+-------------+------------+------------+-------------|
IBM |114 1/4 +1/4|115 5/8 |115 3/8 -1/4|116 1/8 +3/4|115 3/8 -3/4|
| | +1 3/8| | |1,770,200 Sls|
-----'-------------------------------------------------------------------'
'Sls' refers to the # of stock shares that were traded that day.
'CBM' refers to Commodore Corporation.
'----' means that the stock's price did not change for the day.
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> LYNX POWER STR Tech Notes? Battery power alternatives..
=========================
LYNX BATTERY PACK
+++++++++++++++++
Special thanks to [Stace]'s friend for his suggestion!
"Lynx'rs everywhere!"
It may be a while before I have some sort of real product so I thought
I'd release the information on how to build your own 6 D-Cell battery
pack. These directions are extremely complex and shouldn't be attempted
by people like myself (slight grin with a twist). I don't know very much
about electronics so attempt at your own risk (it ran electrocop for
25hrs. and it didn't hurt anything that I can see.)
Take a trip to the nearest Radio Shack and pick up the following
items: (3) "D" Battery Holders (CN. 270-386A) or something that holds 6 D'
Cells. I bought 3 2's, because I thought they would work better in a belt
pack then a single piece. Next, a coaxial power plug (3.5mm O.D.x 1.3mm
I.D.(CN. 274-1571)) check twice I didn't and ended up going back the next
day after chopping the end off my adaptor. Grab some 20-22 Gauge wire
(Red and Black will help), a soldering pen, some acid core solder and
don't forget the black electrical tape (covers that unsightly soldering
job).
Now, with the hands of a surgeon line up the D-Cell containers so all
the wires hang out one side. Start on one end and solder the Black wire
on the First container to the Red wire on the Second, then solder the
Black wire on the Second container to the Red wire on the Third container.
Now, if all went well you should have a Red wire on the First container
and a Black wire on the Third container. Next, wrap the solder joints
with electrical tape then tape them to the side of D' Cell containers as
you wrap them together in a block leaving the Red wire and Black wire
hanging free.
Take and cut some Black and Red wire roughly the same length. The
length of the wire will probable have some effect on the length of battery
life but I couldn't say what that might be. I used about 4 feet of wire
but cut any length you want, experiment. Cut one of the wires hanging from
the battery box a little shorter then the other, this will help keep the
electrical tape blobs from being on top of one another. Next, solder the
Red wire you cut, to the Red wire on the Battery Box. Do the same for the
Black wires. Now tape those joints. For neatness I twisted the Red and
Black wire together wrapping it ever 8" with a small piece of tape.
Last but not least, unscrew the cover off the Coaxial Plug (the plug
you already tried in the Lynx before leaving the Radio Shack Parking lot!)
and put it on the Red/Black wire before you do anything else! Make sure
it's on the right way...check again, I know but it's gonna be on the wrong
way (it's some kind of electrical law). Next, cut your wires the right
length so you don't end up with six inch's of slack in one of the wires.
Hook the Red wire to the center leg and the Black to the outer leg, make
sure they don't touch. Solder them in place. I always put a small piece
of tape around the center solder joint just for extra protection. Screw
the cover on?
Now about 10 minutes should have passed. If you did everything right
there should be some wire and tape left, good job! If you have trouble
soldering make sure the tips clean and tight. Allow the wire and metal
connections to heat to the point that the solder flows evenly and appears
to suck into the wire. Don't let the solder gun sit on it longer then
necessary. Good Luck and if you have any problems or just want to give me
your results, send E-Mail to:
REALM
P.S. I'd like to thank those people that have been ordering cases and
supporting my efforts. I listen to every comment and will continue to act
on them. Thanks again!
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> RON LUKS INTERVIEW STR Feature? CIS Atari SIG's head sysop....
==============================
STReport's Online Today presents;
THE RON LUKS INTERVIEW
======================
by Oscar Steele
While I've been covering GEnie for a few months now, it's only fair that
we give a fair share of the limelight to the "other" network - as it's
called by some GEnie users. And the best way to do so is to get to know
the man behind the Original Atari section on any major network, Ron Luks.
>>>> How long has the ST section been on Compuserve?
It opened almost at the same time as the ST was released, the 8 bit
Atari forum started 8.5 years ago. We're about to celebrate our 9th
anniversary during November of this year. The story behind how Atari
coverage started began in early 1980 when I was only a regular CompuServe
customer. I had just bought a new Atari 800 and I looked for a place
where Atari people met. There was no such place; there was however, a
Popular Electronics magazine sponsored forum. They allowed me to start a
subsection about Atari on the forum. When it became the most popular
section in the forum, CompuServe permitted me to start my own forum (they
weren't called forums at the time, they were called SIGs) and I called it
Sig*Atari. Many people ask me if the name came from Sig Hartmann of
Atari, but that was when Warner Bros. owned Atari, so Sig hartmann wasn't
even around. To make a long story short, I founded the Atari forums and
have been manager and lead sysop since the first day they opened.
>>>> Please, give a short autobiography about yourself and your
relationship to Compuserve
I was living in Manhattan and was an active partner in a brokerage
firm; I also had my own seat on the American Stock Exchange. While I was
waiting for the IBM PC to come out, Atari released their now famous 800.
I saw Star Raiders and was instantly hooked. I intended it to just be a
game machine while I was waiting to buy a "real" computer. One of the
items I purchased along with the 800 was a modem, which, at the time, I
had no conception of its use and future influence. The package also
included a CompuServe signup kit; and that's how I got originally
involved with Compuserve!
I've been fortunate to have had a number of famous sysops involved in
the Atari Sigs on Comp U Serve i.e., Russ Wetmore, author of Preppie;
Michael Reichmann, who became President of Batteries Included; Steve
Ahlstrom, who went on to initiate the Amiga forums on CIS. Most all were
Atari software authors. Tom Hudson, an extraordinary software developer,
was also a sysop and an online editor for Antic. Toward the end of 1982,
after having sold my seat on the exchange, I left Wall Street and retired
from the "super busy" schedule. It was at this time that I decided that
the care & feeding of SIG*Atari was a full time job.
The forums started with the Atari 8 bit, and at the time the ST was
released, we dedicated two separate forums. 8bit and ST. Shortly
thereafter, the ST developer's forum opened, anyone who claimed to be a
developer was, at that time, allowed in the forum. However, it
subsequently was closed when support from Atari for developers dwindled to
almost nothing. When it finally closed, it was absorbed into the
productivity and vendor forums (where people like MichTron, ISD, and
Codehead were given access for customer support). The ST forum grew into
ST Arts and Games and the Productivity forum. And now, we boast of a new
and very active Atari Portfolio forum.
Our Current SysOp Staff:
========================
8-bit forum: Don Lebow, Bob Puff,
General: Keith Joins, Bill Aycock
ST: Dan Rhea, Dave Groves, Mike Schoenbach
Charles Mc Guinness, David Ramsden, Ron Luks
Portfolio: John Knight
>>>> How many ST users access Compuserve?
CompuServe has close to 600,000 customers. They don't allow us to
give out actual ST numbers, but I can say it's in excess of 20,000 users.
>>>> Has there been any effect on your ST Forums since GEnie introduced
its ST roundtable?
Absolutely, many people go there because the 1200 baud rates are less
expensive. We'd like to think we're the best. In reality, 2400 baud
rates are far closer to being comparable to everybody's rates than most
realize. (things may change very drastically in the fall, but I'm not
allowed to say anything more on that).
>>>> What is QUICKCIS and has it helped Compuserve?
QuickCIS is an excellent Terminal Program written by Jim Ness. It
provides for very rapid online accessing of the system thus, it helps
conserve time for the users by auto - capturing messages, downloading
files, logging off, and allowing them to create reply messages and new
messages off line. After which, the user logs back online, it then
automatically and accurately posts the new messages in the proper areas.
The program also allows users to scan data libraries for the newest
entries. This fine programming effort has proven itself many times over
in terms of allowing users to get the most for their online dollar; thus,
encouraging people to use CompuServe more often.
>>>> What are your plans for the future?
We plan on maintaining the 8 bit forum as long as there is user
interest. However, it is clear that Atari is dropping the line. We have
no intention of pulling out of the market. We'll stay active with the 8
bit forum as long as possible.
Additionally, we plan on increasing the amount of Portfolio support
significantly. The promising future coming out of the Portfolio division
appears to be greater than the TT or STacy. The TT is already old
technology and it's not even released yet. When Atari does finally
release the TT, I think it'll be anything but a state of the art device.
The Portfolio is where they stand to make their biggest success.
ST support will remain about the same level, but CIS plans to do two
things. We plan to become far more competitive in the pricing arena and
we are also introducing products that take advantage of the Desktop
interface and the Atari. CIS has an HMI (Host Micro Interface), that
allows you to use your computer desktop to select various CompuServe
functions. An IBM version is already available, the Mac version is about
to come out, and the Atari version is under development.
>>>> What do you think of ATARI'S current situation?
I think the company is failing and that they literally have wiped out
the vast majority of their developers. For the first time since the
Tramiels have taken over, the developers are finally getting the first
dim glimmer of attention. However, there are some developers that will
never come back. On top of which, the dealer network has been devastated;
for all practical purposes there is no real dealer network left.
>>>> What if ATARI USA closed its doors and moved to Europe?
The only thing preventing it is that the majority of the stockholder's
(Jack, his sons and grandchildren) live here in the States. But clearly
most of the profits are coming from Europe. Atari isn't even listed in US
mainstream computer magazines; the name Atari is rarely mentioned in same
caption with computers. It's generally considered a game company. Their
games don't even dominate that market as they once did. And their
installed userbase, including dealers, and developers haven't received
adequate support in years. It is slowly changing for the better; however,
it's highly questionable whether or not it's too little, too late. I
personally think that it's very possible for Atari to profit and survive,
but its definitely a uphill battle.
Thanks and kudos go to Ron for taking the time to grant this interview. I
know he's a busy man (he must of have had a half dozen phone calls in/out
of his office during the interview <Grin>). Hopefully, I'll be giving
you an indepth look at CompuServe in the next few weeks.
P.S. Ron adds:
We are totally independent, with NO Atari censorship. We are proud
that we are the largest independent source of support for all Atari
computers.
____________________________________________________________
> PITTSBURGH SPEAKS! STR SOUND OFF? A different viewpoint...
================================
STReport Reader Mail Call
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Item 4394729 90/05/22 19:43
From: J.THAYNE J. Gregg Thayne
To: ST.REPORT Ralph F. Mariano
Sub: My Response to Donora PA
Dear Ralph:
I would like to comment on the letter that you received from Donora,
Pa. in the last issue of ST Report. I feel that I have to comment since
that he did not hear the ENTIRE conversation, and I want to set the record
straight, so that Pittsburgh can move on to the real problems at hand.
From now on, I will refer to the letter writer as Mr. X. While it is
true that I had a conversation with Rick from Gribnif Software, the way
that Mr. X paraphrased it left out a lot of the IMPORTANT things. Here is
what REALLY HAPPENED...
While at the North-East AtariFest I wanted to get my copy of NeoDesk
upgraded to a more current version, since I can't use it with all the
programs that I use. I went to the Gribnif table and talked to the
gentleman there, which happened to be Rick of Gribnif Software. I asked
him how much it would be to upgrade from version 1.x of NeoDesk to the
current version that they were selling and promoting at the show. He told
me that it would be $20.00. I ran back over to the PACE booth, where I
was 90% of the show, and got my original disk, then went back to Rick.
I said, "Here is my original disk, but I have the Docs at home, if
you need, I can bring them in tomorrow if you need them, now what do I
have to do?" He then informed me to fill out this card that he handed me,
and that they would send me my new version in 2-8 weeks. I asked him why
he could not just upgrade to the current version that they had there. He
told me "We don't do it THAT way." I then explained that my friend had
that done at a previous show within the last year, and he repeated the
above, but in a way that I did not like. His tone was starting to get
uppity.
Since I really wanted the program at that time, and that I use the
program often, I asked him if the $35 price was what they were charging to
buy it new, and he answered "Yes". I then brought up the fact that there
were several vendors there that had the product NEW and the new VERSION
for a lower price. He then told me in a very harsh tone, "You can't find
the program at a lower price." I then gave him figures from two of the
vendors at the show, and said that I could go over there and buy it new
for at least $5.00 cheaper than they were selling it new, and I would
have it NOW. Not to mention the fact that I could do what a lot of the
show attendees did, and tell the other vendor with the higher price that
the other vendor had it at a lower price, and they would then match or
beat the price, so I expressed that I could probably get NeoDesk for
around $25.00. That would only be $5.00 more than the upgrade, and I
wouldn't have to wait WEEKS to get the new version. After expressing my
dislike for his policies, I then DID say, "I will just get the program
(NeoDesk) at a lower price elsewhere."
Now the last quote was what I said, and if heard without the
previous conversation, it could be taken wrong, but if Mr. X was there for
the ENTIRE conversation, then he would not have been misled. One final
note about my experience with Gribnif is that while I was walking away
from the booth, after saying that I would get the program at a lower
price, I overheard Rick say a few nasty things about "that guy...", and I
was not pleased.
On to better things. I can understand the problems that the show
had, and even some of the good things that happened, but the REAL problem
is that we as Atari Users must UNITE and stop the petty wars, and get to
the heart of the problem, and that being Atari. How can we as users try
to gain new members when there is a shortage of Atari product in the
U.S.A.? I have talked to the latest Atari Dealer that we HAD, and his
reason for not supporting the Atari line of products anymore was "Problems
with Atari." It was not competition from local or mail-order places, but
it was the problems of Atari itself.
I feel that until the users can stop their bickering, and focus their
attention on the real problems, we will never get anywhere, and we may end
up as orphaned computer users. We must let Atari know that we want
SUPPORT, product and advertising. I can't remember the last time that I
saw an ad in a MAJOR magazine for a ATARI computer. We need to let people
know that Atari is more than just the game machine that they still think
of. Atari has to get off their duffs and get on the ball. Atari does
well out of the U.S. but has problems here, I don't want to hear about
the FCC and how strict they are, IBM and other companies don't have these
problems when they sell their products both over seas and in the U.S.
These opinions are my own, and in no way represent those of PACE, the
Pittsburgh Atari Computer Enthusiast. And another note, I am the PACE
Atari 8-Bit SysOp, and not ONE of the Vice Presidents. I was last term,
but that was before the AtariFest.
Thanks you for your time;
J.G. Thayne
Greentree, PA
PACE 8-bit Sysop
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> SALES & PR?? STR Spotlight? What a what a way to run 'em off!
==========================
WHO... IS IN CHARGE?
===================
by Ed Baker
(Note: The following is strictly my own feelings and reflections on Atari
and their narrow line of thought.)
First of all, I would like to introduce myself. My name is Ed Baker
and I am the President of STar of Belleville, Illinois. A user group
located about 30 miles East of St. Louis. We are one of four Metro St.
Louis Atari user groups.
Hank Vize (President of EAUG out of Alton, Illinois) recently helped
out an international touring dance group which was performing 'Sanctuary'.
What makes this group interesting to the Atari community is the fact that
they utilize the Atari ST to help create a 3-dimensional sound system for
the audio portion of the show. Hank wrote a review about the group which
recently appeared in an issue of ST Report.
A number of local Atari users attended the performance and were over
whelmed by the audio portion of the performance. But this is about the
performance and that's not what I'm here to talk about, so let me move on
to what I swore would never happen again.... Atari's great wisdom and
business practices amazing me.
Please, allow me to state that Atari loaned two Mega-4 systems to the
dance company for use during the performances here in St. Louis. This was
a good point on Atari's side but even that was marred by the fact that no
one knew who the units were being sent to. The local Atari dealer had
been asked by Bob Brodie to accept the units and have the dance group
sign for them when they arrived. The dealer happily agreed to help out but
the units ended up being sent directly to Michael Fioretti, from the
dance group and in the mean time the dealer is still looking for the
units to arrive.
Meanwhile, the systems ended up arriving after the company had to
borrow other systems from a local user group to prepare for the show.
Because the dance company had already set-up the audio system they didn't
want to chance it by disassembling the present units for the ones sent by
Atari.
After the performances were over Michael was given the opportunity to
purchase the units from Atari at DEALER COST or send them back. He
declined the offer, so the local Atari dealer stated to Michael that he
would be interested in purchasing the units. Now remember, this is the
dealer that was contacted by Atari for help in setting this all up.
The dealer took the units from the dance group and accepted the
responsibility of caring for the units figuring there would be no problem
from Atari. He made a phone call to Atari on Monday and asked to talk
with the person in charge of dealer shipments. He was told that she was
off that day and to call back Tuesday.
On Tuesday, Tammy (last name unknown) who is responsible for dealer
shipments for Atari returned his call and after explaining that the dance
company did not want to purchase the systems but that he did, the dealer
was told that the only way he could purchase the systems was if Michael
sent the full payment to Atari and then the dealer purchase the systems
from Michael.
Does this sound rational? My question is, why couldn't the dealer
just put the systems on his floor plan with Atari directly? Why did the
dance company have to purchase the units first just to turn around and
sell them to the dealer? Well to say the least the dealer was a little
put back and instead of going though this Mickey Mouse deal sent the
units back to Atari costing the dealer money in postage and insurance.
Once again, the dealer comes out on the short end of the stick and the
area loses the chance to purchase some computers. Tell me Atari, just
what kind of people are you wasting money on to make all these wise
decisions?
_______________________________________________________
> FOLIO INFO STR OnLine? "..one of the card's pins was altered...."
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ANOTHER GAME PLAY?
==================
S17/Community Square
24-May-90 11:28:10
Sb: #697-#FLICKER
Fm: ATARI Dev. Support 70007,1072
To: Barry Kominik 76004,3110
There is an interesting thing that happened to the RAM cards. In
order to make them proprietary to Atari, one of the pins was altered in
function. The effect of this is to charge the card battery off the
Portfolio's battery. There were very few of these cards distributed by
Atari, but Mitsubishi Plastics cards from other sources may be configured
this way.
There is 1 Reply.
S17/Community Square
24-May-90 15:32:48
Sb: #712-FLICKER
Fm: SYSOP*Ron Luks 76703,254
To: ATARI Dev. Support 70007,1072
Is there any reason to physically alter or modify the card to make it
proprietary to ATARI CORP other than to insure that ATARI would have a
captive market for sales of extra RAM cards? Or does this modification
significantly boost the charged life of a card?
Ron
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> MIDI-TASKING STR OnLine? Multi-tasking for the ST?
=======================
C.BINCKLEY posts;
From Atari's "MIDI Magazine;"
A quarterly publication from the Atari Corporation, and this is the first
issue.
Some relevant quotes:
- "In mid-1990, Atari plans to release the Atari MIDI-Tasking System"
- "Atari recruited Intelligent Music...to create [it]."
- "...allows...users to run up to six GEM applications
simultaneously"
- "...information can be exchanged between applications, even in real
time."
- "...any MIDI application can address any MIDI hardware device,
assuming that a driver has been written for the device."
- "...the key difference between the Atari...system and systems such
as SoftLink, MROS, MPE and [Hybrid Arts'] HybriSwitch is that the
Atari system uses the ST's built-in GEM kernel to do the multi-
tasking..."
- "The Atari...system's functions _can be used in conjunction with
MPE, MROS, and SoftLink,_ however, because the system's
MIDI-tasking capabilities are independent of its GEM
capabilities."
- "Although the system can work with non-MIDI applications, Atari
doesn't plan to promote the...system outside the music market."
And the final paragraph of the article reads:
"The Atari MIDI-tasking system functions with all Atari MEGA and ST
computers. A minimum of one megabyte RAM is recommended. The MIDI-tasking
will soon be available through Atari dealers for $12.95 suggested retail."
Yes - _$12.95_ gives us multitasking Ataris, at least for MIDI
applications. Let's hope this is for real...
-- Chuck --
P.S.;
I hope Atari doesn't mind me reprinting from the magazine here. I have
gotten the impression that VERY FEW people are aware of this program, and
I, for one, would like to see Atari remain competitive in the music
marketplace. This system sounds, at the very least, like a LEAP in the
right direction (now, if we can get something like Hypercard/MIDI Manager
happening on the Atari...).
____________________________________________________________
> ATARI UP FRONT! STR OnLine? "Is it time to put up or.......?"
==========================
ctsy GEnie
This past week we observed the following post from an obviously
enthusiastic Atari ST user, we felt it warranted being shared with our
readers as it opened the door to a reply and we request reader replies
be sent in to continue this subject..
Category 18, Topic 9
Message 104 Mon May 21, 1990
D.FRUCHEY at 20:41 PDT
The title of this topic seems inflammatory rather than honestly inquiring.
Perhaps the author should change the statement to: "IT'S TIME TO ABANDON
ATARI NOW!!!!"
Nevertheless, I'm going to try and rise to the bait and actually do a
little DEFENDING of Atari Corp. (I can't actually believe I'm doing this
as I know I'm going to get burned in responses but here goes anyway :^) ).
The big question is this: Does the Atari line of computers meet your
needs? Is the wordprocessor you use sufficient to produce the types of
documents you create (I use WordPerfect and the answer is yes, it really
doesn't matter that I don't have version 5.1, the current version meets my
needs). Is there an existing database that fulfills your needs? Again, the
answer is yes. With the exception of a Hypercard type program I can buy a
database to fulfill any of my needs or contact a database company that
will customize for my needs (such as High-Tech advisers). Is there a
spreadsheet or financial package that meets your needs (since products
like LDW power are Lotus compatible you can't point a finger in that
direction)? Is there a desktop publishing program that fulfills your needs
right now (the latest versions of Pagemaker, Express, and other products
are now finally using options available in ST programs for over a year)?
The list goes on and on. A friend of mine recently was convinced to buy an
IBM compatible because there were over 20,000 pieces of software available
for the system. However, only about 4,000 pieces of software can be used
by the average user. The rest require add on cards, higher resolution
monitors, windows, a mouse, more RAM, etc. His IBM was ultimately no
bargain and, guess what folks, the ST also boasts about 4,000 software
titles. What did he gain? A higher price tag and a larger group of fellow
users. But then the IBM world speaks so many different languages. Do you
use UNIX, MS DOS, Windows, GEM, OS/2? Does your system run with an 8088,s
80286, 80386SX, 80386, 80486? It makes a difference in what you can and
can't do. The PC world is fractured into such a diverse group of small
user specific clicks that it is difficult to maintain any standards.
What about the MacIntosh world? I just finished reading the latest issue
(May 1990) of MacWorld and the editorial is chock full of complaints about
promises by Apple to complete their System 7 operating system by the end
of this year. Apple will only promise a reduced version of the new system
because it is INCOMPATIBLE with the existing software and the third party
developers are screaming. The execs at Apple have fudged and promised a
version 7.5 or possibly 8 that will come out with all the new additions
they promised in the current software. When? Your guess is as good as
mine. BTW... Has anyone looked at the price of a MAC II system? I can
purchase a full ST system with 30 Mb hard disk, laser printer, and
software for the price of their system. That's a heavy price to pay when I
can do the same thing on an ST faster and easier (honestly I have tried).
Let's move to the dreaded Amiga... A recent article in Forbes Magazine
criticized the Commodore corporation heavily for their inconsistent
management practices and failure to integrate sound operating software
with their system. In the last year or so Commodore had dropped their
market share rating from 26 to 6 and sales have dropped substantially in
foreign markets (but they have advertising!). The Amiga has become the
true game machine of the home computer market but some critical
applications software is still missing or underdeveloped on this system.
Problems with hardware, software, support, and consistency exist on every
single computer system. Does the Atari system you own meet your computing
needs now or can you upgrade an Atari system via hardware or software to
meet your needs? Can you contact someone in Atari or a third party company
who can resolve your problems? Have you made the attempt to see problems
resolved directly instead of sharing your woes with other users online?
I like the ST line of Atari computers and I'm hoping to someday own a TT
(but my ST works great and I use it every day). Yes, I am disappointed by
Atari's seeming lack of consistency, poor developer support, and the lack
of purchaseable machines on the U.S. market. But I believe that Atari is
hurting themselves and their profitability by failing to meet the wants of
their user base in this market - not the user. I won a solid machine (oops
I meant "own" not won) that is as fast as the competition, reliable, and
affordable. I own or can buy software that will meet my every need and in
99.9% of the cases will also meet the needs of other users. As long as
they give Atari an honest chance as a machine, not a corporation.
The pulpit is now empty, I'm back to my normal routine. See YA!
Dan "I Love My Atari" Fruchey
------------
ON THE "FLIP" SIDE
------------------
Dan there probably isn't a soul who owns an ST that will disagree with
you. You have come quite close to the mark. But missed a few possibly
very important points...
Should the users feel comforted and reassured by your comparing the
alleged misery of the users of other computer platforms to the conditions
prevalent in the Atari arena? No, not hardly. No other platform is like
Atari's is now; developers are bailing out, dealers are dropping like
flies, oldtime users are dumping their gear while literally screaming
they've have enough of Sunnyvale's lack-luster approach to the US market.
Please observe the situation most developers facing, for example;
most will tell you they love the machine, "its the finest machine for the
money." But Atari must increase the size of the installed userbase in the
USA. It becomes very real and still remains very simple, they need to
feed their families, pay the bills, etc...!
Folks are selling their ST machines hoping to get 'some' of the hard
earned money they spent back. Many are purchasing into other thriving,
ongoing and well supported US computer platforms. While most find it
quite easy to criticize the "other" platforms, the truth remains; they
(the users in those platforms) have NEW up to date hardware and software
appearing on the market almost every day. Does the Atari market? Not
with any regularity! Instead, we get excuses and double talk. There is
good reason behind the unrest and increased appearance of "For Sale"
posts... The ST computer users in the USA are getting tired of the "who
cares about you" attitude Atari continues to unwittingly display toward
the US market. Enough is enough... most users have had more than their
fair share of unreasonable treatment and are now taking their dollars
elsewhere, (the recent earnings statements posted prove that).
Are we to sit idly by while witnessing the 'obvious continued
snubbing' of the US market while we comfort ourselves in the joys of
listening to yesterday's applause? We live, work, and play in the USA,
Atari has managed to mangle its image in this country to a point where its
redemption is a MAJOR Public Relations nightmare. Yet we believe that the
'comeback' process is really not all that involved, it may require the
'putting away' of past animosities and giving cause to renew alliances and
friendships between ALL Atari enthusiasts. Of course the release of new
and existing product to the US marketplace in 'copious quantities' will
certainly help a great deal.
While firmly believing I own five of the very best computers available
for the money I have invested. I still have, unfortunately, left myself
wide open for the rude awakening. Where or what will be with my
investment six months further down the road.
Most of all, Atari seems to have forgotten;
o - They're based in the USA
o - They got their start with US investment dollars
o - Their stock is sold on NY's Wall Street
o - The customer is ALWAYS RIGHT!
o - Good Customer Relations is fuel for future business
o - Industry support (developers) is an absolute must
It seems they continue to "allow" the USA market be the last to
receive or never see many products mentioned or shown in Europe. Its very
easy for most of us to continue to use and enjoy the various arrays of ST
equipment we now own, but its equally as difficult to understand why, year
after year, the USA habitually gets the short end of the stick. Thus,
leaving most of us with no avenue to improve our systems with while
remaining loyal to Atari. Not to mention the obvious message being sent
by Atari to prospective developers throughout the USA that they do not
have a growing, prospering market in the Atari computer line at this time.
And folks wonder why Borland has yet to release Turbo C in the USA? There
are literally hundreds of superb programs available in Europe that will
never see the light of day in the USA because the European distributors
fell there is no profitability in exporting to the States. This they
directly attribute to Atari's lack of activity in the USA's marketplace.
Perhaps, the 'powers that be' will take notice of the alarming
numbers of "for sale" posts popping up all over the BBSs and Online
services... And hopefully begin to realize how they (Atari), by their
actions and decisions, are indirectly encouraging droves of loyal Atarians
to migrate other computer platforms. Oh sure, there will be those who say
they're selling their STs so they can get STes or TTs. That's
Fairytales! Let's stop kidding ourselves, they're moving on to other
computer platforms plain and simple. Why? "The machine ya love from a
company so easy to ......" Three years I have been hearing that and for
the same three years I have chuckled at it. Unfortunately, at this time,
six months into 1990, with the STe on sale all over the globe but NOT YET
in the USA, etc....come on Atari, stop making us who still continually
preach the wonders of your machines, look like loyalist groupies instead
of sensible, intelligent computer users. The Advantage package was
promised at the last fall Comdex show (1989), how long does it take to put
a promotion together? AND WE CONTINUE TO WAIT...........and WAIT.
Six months into 1990 and what has Atari done in the USA where WE,
loyal Atari ST computer users one and all, LIVE?
ctsy CIS
20580 S8/Hot Topics
21-May-90 01:17:01
Sb: #20576-Atari dead?
Fm: Bob Retelle 71550,3312
To: ST Informer 70007,3615 (X)
Right now, recommending an Atari product to *anyone* is like recommending
they buy a DeLorian automobile, knowing that the company is on shaky
ground and that support and dealers for the car are drying up... and not
telling them..
I don't feel I can recommend the combination of an ST and any of the IBM
emulators over a "true" IBM to anyone who wants that kind of system.
*IF* they can find an Atari dealer to sell them the ST, and *IF* that ST
happens to be one that will take the pc-ditto II board, and *IF* they can
install it or get it installed, then maybe they'll have the equivalent of
a crippled IBM clone.
IF they buy a true IBM clone, they'll get a machine that runs, right out
of the box. They'll be able to upgrade it and expand it with no problems
at all. It will run 100% of the applications they want, and it will grow
with them as their needs grow.
True, they'll miss out on the "native ST mode" programs, but the way
things are going, they won't miss out on much...
BobR
Hot Topics
21-May-90 01:46:55
Sb: #20576-Atari dead?
Fm: Dan Deckert 74156,1432
To: ST Informer 70007,3615 (X)
I've had a 1040ST since shortly after it came out. It gets used
(primarily for games) every day. Before that, I used a series of Atari
8-bit computers to great effect. I even own a Portfolio. I've been a
supporter of Atari computers for a long time. I also do work as a
computer consultant. It's been over a year since the last time I honestly
felt that I could recommend a Mega/ST to a new computer user.
I'm using a 25 MHz 386-based PC clone with SVGA, 4 MB of RAM, and 80 MB of
hard disk space to create this message. My total investment in this
system (including software) is still less than what I've spent on the ST
over the years. There's nothing except Mac emulation that this machine
can't do better than an ST. I still love my 1040, but it's a computing
dead end.
Dan
Category 18, Topic 9
Message 108 Tue May 22, 1990
BREHBOCK at 22:30 CDT
I'll play devil's advocate... I _need_ a FoxPRO clone on the ST;
Versasoft's dBMAN is just adequate, and advanced functions and commands
are buggy. I _need_ LDW Power to update related, but currently un-opened
spreadsheets (ala Excel). I need WordPerfect to run on the Moniterm.
(Although getting _anything_ to run on a PC on a big screen requires a
hammer & crowbar :-)
The ST is still comparatively young, there are still a lot of rough 'un-
professional' edges on a lot of the software. I like my ST, and I've got a
lot of patience, (and a 25Mhz '386 :-), so I'm willing to bide my time
while the ST grows up.
There is no better Desktop publishing solution than PageStream, (although
Quark Express 3.0 is pretty close) LDW Power is 'snappier' on the Viking
than Excel is on a Wyse 7190 under Windows. TouchUp is quicker (most
functions) on my T-16'd ST than my '386 (except for a few functions that
have been optimized in 80x86 assembler for the PC version that are still
C in the ST)
Antonio Salerno is supposed to be working with some big-name software
houses, let's hope he's successful! I believe that the ST/TT is a better
platform, and it will find its niche someday (hopefully soon), Atari is
trying harder than they ever have to make it a winner, I hope it's a good
year.
ON THE OTHER HAND..
W.E. Rebock, a registered developer, makes some very interesting
points here. Frankly, we find ourselves in well, "almost" in full
agreement. There are however, a few questions and points to
consider....
Does Bill actually expect most ST (power without the price) owners to
run out and buy an IBM "25 MHz 386" while they wait for the ST to "GROW
UP"? The important questions are whether or not most ATARI ST owners
depend on their STs on a daily basis and can they afford the wait. Also,
do they need their Atari computer systems kept technologically up to date.
To collectively lump all the software available to ST owners under a
heading of "rough edged and unprofessional.." is grossly unfair to our
loyal developers. No matter how the previous statement is read it is
still incorrect. Regardless of what is said by all the challenges made,
Atari is ultimately responsible for the condition of the ST marketplace in
the USA, not the users, developers, or dealers.
STReport opinion about endorsements is like this; there is no way one
should 'ever' say there is "no better than" about any program as it
"hints" at partiality and certainly magnifies, that perhaps, the view
taken was tunnelvision. Both of the major (Calamus and PageStream)
Desktop Publishing packages available in the ST arena provide the ST users
with the very finest of most all the other computer platform's best DTP
features.
It's sad to see valiantly veiled attempts at trying to urge either
Atari or the developer corp. to get excited all over again, about the ST
arena. It would have been so much more productive if the writer had come
right to the point and said it like it is; "ATARI HAS GOT TO GET ON THE
BALL AND FAST."
To mention A. Salerno's name in a passage relating to supposition and
improbabilities is nice, but adds nothing to the credibility of the
remarks being made. Whether or not Salerno is involved in any type of
dealings is not relevant to the topic as there are no solid results to
bring forward, only a different way of saying 'wait and you shall be
rewarded'.
In the last few years we have been told this very same rhetoric
("Atari is trying harder than they ever have to make it a winner, I hope
it's a good year.") by a number of ardently loyal individuals who meant
well, but have since themselves given up and unfortunately, migrated to
other computer platforms.
While not pointing to anyone in particular within the company, Atari
has alluded to many wonderful and exciting "new things" in the past only
to come up with a bevy of disappointing excuse(s). Or some type of sad
story or, as in the recent past, the ominous 'silence' preceded by the
"played down" repetitious delays.
Atari should look to the future and put the negative past out of their
plans for the future, but then, who are 'we the users' trying to tell
'them' what to do? After all, they hold all the chips and call all the
shots. Or so they think, they continually seem to forget one small item.
We (the USA customers/buying public) hold the real money and Atari's
future in our hot little purchasing hands.
___________________________________________________________
> STReport CONFIDENTIAL? Sayin' it like it is.....
=====================
- Sunnyvale, CA ATARI TO TRADE COMPUTERS FOR SOVIET DRAM
-------------
Last week STReport brought you up to date on the international scene
with the news that Atari was involved in landmark trade talks, this week
we present the juicy details..
"The Atari Corporation is involved in talks to acquire computer chips
from the Soviet Union," Gregory Pratt, Atari's chief financial officer,
pointed out that "the company had obtained and tested dynamic random
access memories, or DRAM's, produced in the Soviet Union." The chips can
store 256k of information. Mr. Pratt said "Atari's main goal was to sell
computers in the Soviet Union. But knowing that the Soviet Union has
little currency to pay for our products, the company is actively looking
for something to trade for." Atari Corp. is seeking to solidify a 'first
ever' agreement with Russia to trade personal computers for DRAM. "This
thing came out of nowhere and it's now moving very fast," said Pratt.
The proposal is for Atari to swap its computers for the 256K DRAMs, a
basic component of many Atari products, from a Soviet-owned semiconductor
plant in Zelenograd, a center for much of the country's high-tech
research. As pointed out in the last few weeks, Global Development Corp.,
a international trade consulting firm has arranged for a series of
meetings in Santa Clara next month between Soviet officials and U.S.
high-tech companies, Atari among them. The Soviets are willing to provide
all their excess production, as many as 2.5 million chips a month.
Workers at the Soviet plant would be allowed to keep 25 percent of any
profit from selling Atari products, Mark Muchnick, president of Global
said. "They're just dying to get their hands on computers," Muchnick
added. "For the first time in their lives, these guys could get something
more than a paycheck." Atari engineers have been testing the Soviet chips
to see if they meet their requirements. "Basically, the chips work ok,"
however there has been a few problems, David Harris, VP of Atari's
International Division, said.
Hopefully, Atari does a better job of keeping up with timely
deliveries and their contractual agreements with the Russians. You see,
these guys, unlike the US userbase, have many VERY BIG GUNS. ;-)
- Santa Clara, CA BORLAND SHIPS C++ COMPILER
---------------
Borland International, Inc. announced the availability of Turbo C++
Professional, a new development environment that lets programmers add
object-oriented programming to their skill set and more effectively tackle
today's complex programming projects. Turbo C++ Professional offers
complete support of AT&T's C++ 2.0 specification as well as full
compatibility with ANSI C. Turbo C++ also includes the Programmer's
Platform(TM), a new development environment, and Borland's VROOMM(TM)
memory manager. "Turbo C++ opens the world of object-oriented
technology to programmers while maintaining the performance and efficiency
of C," said Philippe Kahn, Borland's chairman, president and CEO. "And
VROOMM lets programmers break through the 640K memory barrier in their own
programs."
To increase their productivity, many programmers are adopting
object-oriented programming with C++. Borland's Turbo C++ Professional
supports both ANSI C and AT&T C++ allowing programmers to move to C++ at
their own pace.
Turbo C++ includes four comprehensive manuals and on-line hypertext help.
The Getting Started manual includes installation guidelines, an overview
of the Programmer's Platform and hands-on tutorials for learning C++ and
C. The User's Guide contains in-depth information on use of Turbo C++. The
Programmer's Guide offers technical information on Turbo C++ and
programming for the IBM PC and Intel 80x86 architecture, plus a functional
cross reference to the Library Reference manual. The latter documents all
functions and global variables in Turbo C++ and provides examples for most
RTL functions. Turbo C++ also includes TCTOUR, an on-line Computer-Based
Training system, which familiarizes new users with the Programmer's
Platform. Turbo C++ Professional comes with the above manuals and five
additional manuals: Turbo Debugger User's Guide, Turbo Profiler User's
Guide, Turbo Assembler User's Guide, Turbo Assembler Reference Guide and
Turbo Assembler Quick Reference.
Availability and Price
----------------------
Turbo C++ is available for IBM PC/XT/AT and PS/2 computers and 100%
compatible systems with 640K RAM (512K for command-line compiler), a hard
disk and DOS 2.0 or later.
Turbo C++ has a suggested retail price of $199.95;
Turbo C++ Professional is $299.95.
Both products are available immediately through major resellers or direct
from Borland. Borland will offer Turbo C 2.0 at a reduced price of $99.95.
Registered Turbo C customers can take advantage of a special promotional
offer and buy Turbo C++ for $79.95, or Turbo C++ Professional for $149.95;
registered owners of Turbo C Professional can buy Turbo C++ Professional
for $125. There will also be a 60-day introductory pricing offer of $99.95
for Turbo C++ and $179.95 for Turbo C++ Professional.
Turbo C++ DiskTutor is a book/disk package designed for C Programmers who
want to learn Turbo C++. The $39.95 package, which includes a streamlined
compiler, will be released by Osborne/McGraw-Hill this summer. Additional
Turbo C++ books and textbooks are scheduled for release this summer from
major third-party publishers including Addison-Wesley, M&T Books,
Osborne/McGraw-Hill, Que Corporation, Howard W. Sams, Sybex, Tab Books,
John Wiley & Sons, and Wordware Publishing.
Borland International, Inc. (Scotts Valley, Calif.) is a leading
developer of high-performance software products. Borland offers some of
the world's most widely used business applications and programming
software such as Paradox, Quattro Pro, SideKick, object-oriented Turbo
Pascal, Turbo C, Turbo C++ and Turbo Debugger & Tools.
- Toronto, Canada ATARI CANADA TO HOST TT's DEBUT
---------------
Atari Canada will be showing the TT during the first week in June, the
4th for the local usergroups and the 6-7-8 for the show proper, at the
Palace Bonventure downtown, where they will host the "NORTH AMERICAN DEBUT
OF THE TT". What a nifty title North American Debut sounds like, but
does this mean that the TT will officially be available in Canada AND the
USA? Or is this just another word game for "Let's release it in Canada
and wait on the USA?
- New York City, NY PORTFOLIO OS AT RISK???
-----------------
According to one of our inside track sources, reportedly, there is
great unrest in the land of the Palmtops, something about a disagreement
over operating systems..and/or the future of same, also something about a
512k version vs the current OS, along with a fully MS DOS compatible
version and related support or better yet, non-support. This story is
just breaking but we felt since the the tracking of such stories needs a
beginning.... Seems as though a very recent deadline was allowed to come
and go..
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120mb #SGN120FH 989.95 120mb #SG120DD 1128.95
170mb #SGN2962 1369.95 260mb #SG60102 1849.95
WE HAVE A COMPLETE LINE OF 3.5 LOW PROFILE HARD DRIVES
for
USE IN MEGA ST COMPUTERS AND RELATED CONFIGURATIONS.
20mb #AI020SC 379.95 30mb #AIO3OSC 419.95
50mb #AI050SC 449.95 65mb #AI065SC 499.95
85mb #AI085SC $559.95
>>> ALL ABCO DRIVES ARE HIGH SPEED UNITS <<<
(500 - 600k per sec @ 23 -33ms)
Ask about our "REBATE SPECIALS"
CALL FOR SUPER SAVINGS ON ALL OUR OTHER CUSTOM UNITS
FROM 30mb @ $419.00!
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SHIPPING AND INSURANCE INCLUDED
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* SYQUEST 44MB (#555)>> ABCO "44" << REMOVABLE MEDIA DRIVE *
- SYQUEST 44 MB DRIVE - ICD ST ADVANTAGE PLUS H/A
- ICD Utility Software - 3' DMA Cable
- Fan & Clock - Multi-Unit Power Supply
(1) 44 MB Syquest Cart.
COMPLETELY ASSEMBLED AND READY TO RUN!
>> SPECIAL NOW ONLY __$849.00__ <<
*** SPECIAL SYQUEST OFFER!! ***
ORDER YOUR CUSTOM SYQUEST UNIT NOW AND GET A SECOND COMPLETE UNIT!
***** for $50.00 LESS! *****
-> DO IT YOURSELF BARE SYQUEST UNITS $600.00ea 2 for $1100.00
Syquest Mechanism - 2 year warranty
* TWIN SYQUEST 44MB REMOVABLE MEDIA DRIVES ... PROGRAMMER'S DELIGHT *
SPECIALLY PRICED $1539.00
* SYQUEST 44MB REMOVABLE MEDIA DRIVE AND HARD DRIVE COMBINATIONS *
- Syquest 44 Model [555] and the following hard drives -
50mb SQG51 $1179.00 30mb SQG38 $1099.00
65mb SQG09 $1239.00 85mb SQG96 $1299.00
LOWBOY - STANDARD - DUAL BLOWER CABINETS
CUSTOM CONFIGURATIONS AVAILABLE
Listed above are a sampling of the systems available.
Prices also reflect various cabinet/power supply configurations
(over sixty configurations are available, flexibility is unlimited)
*** ALL Units: Average Access Time: 24ms - 34ms ***
ALL UNITS COMPATIBLE WITH --> SUPERCHARGER - PC-DITTO/II - SPECTRE/GCR
LARGER units are available - (special order only)
NO REPACKS OR REFURBS USED!
- Custom Walnut WOODEN Cabinets - TOWER - AT - XT Cabinets -
Keyboard Custom Cables Call for Info
ALL POWER SUPPLIES UL APPROVED
-* 12 month FULL Guarantee *-
(A FULL YEAR of COVERAGE)
QUANTITY & USERGROUP DISCOUNTS AVAILABLE!
_________________________________________
DEALERS and DISTRIBUTORS WANTED!
please, call for details
Personal and Company Checks are accepted.
ORDER YOUR NEW UNIT TODAY!
CALL: 1-800-562-4037 -=**=- CALL: 1-904-783-3319
Customer Orders ONLY Customer Service
9am - 8pm EDT
Tues thru Sat
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:HOW TO GET YOUR OWN GENIE ACCOUNT:
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To sign up for GEnie service: Call: (with modem) 800-638-8369.
Upon connection type HHH (RETURN after that).
Wait for the U#= prompt.
Type: XTX99587,CPUREPT then, hit RETURN.
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The system will now prompt you for your information.
THE GENIE ATARI ST ROUNDTABLE - AN OVERVIEW
___________________________________________
The Roundtable is an area of GEnie specifically set aside for owners and
users of Atari ST computers, although all are welcome to participate.
There are three main sections to the Roundtable: the Bulletin Board, the
Software Library and the Real Time Conference area.
The Bulletin Board contains messages from Roundtable members on a variety
of Topics, organized under several Categories. These messages are all
Open and available for all to read (GEnie Mail should be used for private
messages).
If you have a question, comment, hot rumor or an answer to someone else's
question, the Bulletin Board is the place to share it.
The Software Library is where we keep the Public Domain software files
that are available to all Roundtable members. You can 'download' any of
these files to your own computer system by using a Terminal Program which
uses the 'XMODEM' file-transfer method. You can also share your favorite
Public Domain programs and files with other Roundtable members by
'uploading' them to the Software Library. Uploading on GEnie is FREE, so
you are encouraged to participate and help your Roundtable grow.
The Real Time Conference is an area where two or more Roundtable members
may get together and 'talk' in 'real-time'. You can participate in
organized conferences with special guests, drop in on our weekly Open
COnference, or simply join in on an impromptu chat session. Unlike
posting messages or Mail for other members to read at some later time,
everyone in the Conference area can see what you type immediately, and can
respond to you right away, in an 'electronic conversation'.
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> A "Quotable Quote"?
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"CRYING TOWELS ARE FOR NINNIES...
...TRUTH IS WHAT REAL PEOPLE THRIVE UPON"
...Lonnie Tamale
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