ST Report: 20-Dec-91 #750
From: Bruce D. Nelson (aj434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu)
Date: 12/22/91-12:04:48 AM Z
From: aj434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bruce D. Nelson)
Subject: ST Report: 20-Dec-91 #750
Date: Sun Dec 22 00:04:48 1991
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WHAT'S NEW IN THE ATARI FORUMS (December 20)
"HIDDEN" TREASURES IN ATARI PRODUCTIVITY FORUM (GO ATARIPRO)
DO YOU HAVE THIS FILE? PRIME personality analyzer. Reports on
compatibility between mates and partners, describes a person's innate
talents, inner desires, survival tactics, how others may see them, etc.
Produces lengthy and detailed reports. Always fun but sometimes spooky!
File: PRIME.ARC in Library 10 ("Program Demos").
DO YOU HAVE THIS FILE? KDOODLER Degas-like drawing program. Supports all
resolutions! Features magnify, screen effects such as contrast, blurr and
speckle, and handy "undo" command. Four working screen with cut and
paste!
File: KDLDR1.ARC in Library 5 ("Applications").
FRENCH ANIMATION PROGRAM
Rob Rasmussen has uploaded an incredible little animation that is really
worth a look. It's in French, and has a rather awkward ending, but its
something that I found amazing in such a small file (68k). Try out
AWORLD.LZH now available in LIBRARY 17 of the Atari Arts Forum (GO
ATARIARTS).
PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM CODEHEAD SOFTWARE
Some great new product announcements from Codehead Software in LIBRARY 16
of the Atari Vendors Forum (GO ATARIVEN):
TEC.TXT - Upgrade your 520, 1040, or Mega ST to TOS 2.06!
QUICK.TXT - CodeHead Software assumes support of Quick ST 3!
MEGSLM.ARC - Patch to let MegaPaint print on US SLM804s
MEGMOD.ARC - Package of external modules for MegaPaint Pro
NEW VERSION OF ARCSHELL
Charles Johnson has uploaded his newest version of ARCSHELL, version 3.1,
to LIBRARY 4 of the Atari Productivity Forum (GO ATARIPRO). This version
has significant new features and supports the latest version of Questor's
LHARC utility.
ATARI PORTFOLIO FORUM (GO APORTFOLIO)
Its finally here! The first test version of PortCIS-- an automatic
navigator program for the Portfolio-- is available for testing and
comments. See file PRTCIS.ARC now in LIBRARY 1.
The second half of the forum programming marathon has begun. In the first
half, we accumulated 87 new files -- almost triple the original estimates!
A big thanks to our three marathoners, BJ Gleason, David Stewart, and Don
Messerli, and all the other forum members who have participated in the
program.
Our intrepid programming marathoners need your help! We need ideas for
the team to work on. If you've ever needed custom programming done, you
know how expensive it can be. Here's a golden opportunity for you to get
custom programs written for free! Please submit any ideas you have to our
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Compiled by: Lloyd E. Pulley, Sr.
-- Apple Develops TV Computer Series
Apple Computer has developed a series of television shows that will be
broadcast via satellite to universities, colleges and schools throughout
the United States.
The five programs in the 1992 Imagine The Apple Education TV Series will
focus on how technology can be effectively integrated in education.
Real-world examples of technology in the classroom, software demons-
trations and a live, call-in question and answer segment will be
included in the broadcasts.
Topics to be covered include:
-:- Innovations in Technology, Jan. 23, 1992, 10- 11 a.m. PST.
-:- How Computers are Changing the Way We Learn, Feb. 20, 1992,
10-11 a.m. PST.
-:- Macintosh Solutions for Math and Science, March 19, 1992,
10-11 a.m. PST.
-:- Multimedia in Language and Literacy, April 16, 1992,
10-11 a.m. PDT.
-:- Client/Server Architecture and Information Access and Analysis,
May 21, 1992, 10-11 a.m. PDT.
-- AMD to Ship 2 Millionth AM386 Processor by Year's End
In less than three months after shipping its 1 millionth unit, Advanced
Micro Devices (AMD) says it expects to ship its 2,000,000th Am386 micro-
processor by the end of the year. The AM386 microprocessor was intro-
duced last March.
-- Fujitsu to Expand Overseas Production
In a move to improve labor and site costs, Fujitsu Ltd. plans to open
new chip assembly operations in Malaysia, Singapore and Ireland by the
summer of 1992. Both facilities will manufacture four-megabit DRAM
chips.
-- IBM and Siemens Develop New Dram Chip
Siemens and IBM have succeeded in jointly developing what they term the
first 64-million-bit semiconductor chip model. The firms, which have
been cooperating in the work since January 1990, produced the first
laboratory model of the 64-meg DRAM earlier this month.
-- Mitsibushi to Export 1/3 of 1-Meg Chips
One third of the one-megabit chips produced at Mitsubishi Electric
Corp.'s plant in North Carolina will be exported with the remaining two-
thirds distributed in the United States, the Japanese firm says. The
plant is currently producing a million DRAM chips a month.
-- Toshiba Shipping New Notebook
Toshiba America Information Systems Inc. says it now is shipping its
7.25-pound T4400SX notebook computer, powered by the Intel Corp. 486SX
processor.
The system costs $5,899 for a gas plasma display model or $5,599 for one
with a black and white liquid crystal display. It has an 80MB hard disk
and measures 11.7 inches by 2.2 inches.
The system offers an 8KB internal cache running at 25MHz (upgradable to
a 25MHz 486DX), 2MB of RAM (expandable to 10MB) and a standard 9.5-inch
diagonal VGA-compatible screen. Other features include a 1.44MB 3.5-inch
floppy drive, an internal dedicated modem slot, optional memory cards
and a NiCd rechargeable battery.
Thieves Nab $250,000 In Acer Notebooks
According to reports, $250,000-worth of Acer 386 notebook computers were
stolen on the way to the company's San Jose, California factory. The San
Jose Police Department has already recovered about a quarter of the
missing notebooks.
Acer is advising potential customers to look out for "special" deals
around the holiday season."
The Acer 386 notebook lists for $2,395 and comes with four megabytes
(MB) of RAM and a 40MB hard drive. The company maintains that buyers can
expect a few hundred dollars off this price but no deep discounts.
Additionally, the company also suggests that potential buyers only
purchase the Acer 386 notebook from authorized Acer dealers, who are the
"only sellers allowed to legally market these computers."
-- Logitech Intros Way to Merge 4 Scans
Logitech says it is more than "bridging the gap" between hand-held and
desktop scanners by introducing "Virtual Page Scanning" capability for
its Scanman modem 256 hand-scanner so a user can automatically merge up
to four scans.
Called Autostitch, this new feature intelligently adjusts image attri-
butes to allow for seamless, transparent images.
In addition, Ansel, the image editing software previously shipped with
the Scanman Model 256 is being upgraded to include Autostitch (as well
as other new features) and is being renamed Fototouch, Logitech said.
Other new features for Fototouch include; an audible beep to signal
scanning speed is too fast; Autostop, which senses a pause in scanner
head motion and allows the user to continue scanning anyway without
manually terminating the scan and starting over, on-screen tonality
control; and improved printing, Logitech said.
The new Fototouch software will ship with Scanman Model 256 beginning in
January 1992, at the same retail price, the company said. Users who
already have Scanman Model 256 may upgrade for $49 and users of older
Logitech scanners may upgrade for $79.
Fototouch requires an IBM personal computer (PC) or compatible running
Microsoft Windows 3.0 or higher. Scanman Model 256 and Fototouch require
1 megabyte (MB) of random access memory (RAM) and a hard disk, Logitech
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'TIS THE SEASON...!!
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by Dana P. Jacobson
'Tis the season... It's hard to believe (unless you look outside!)
that the holidays are here. 1991 is about to come to an end. This has
been an interesting year for Atari. There have been a good deal of new
products that are more than vaporware. The TT and MegaSTe are available.
The ST Book is a reality, though not currently available. TOS 2.06 will
be available shortly. Atari held its first co-sponsored show with the
LCACE folks in the Chicago area. Although the economy is still
floundering, things appear to be looking up for Atari users. Let's hope
that '92 brings even more news and products from Sunnyvale.
Even on the developer front, there has been a lot of interesting news
and product announcements. Apparently the Dusseldorf show was a success
for the U.S. developers because a number of them have acquired the rights
to distribute European titles. This is certainly a feather in the cap of
folks such as CodeHead Software and Gribnif Software, to name just a
couple. Both companies are distributing some quality high-end graphics
programs, and a few others.
While on the subject of CodeHead Software, I must take a moment to
tip my hat to the CodeHeads, John Eidsvoog and Charles Johnson. These two
guys have really provided the Atari community with a bunch of great
software over the years. Their support is tremendous. Existing software
keeps getting better and better over time. John and Charles have proved
over and over again their dedication. Most companies might provide one or
updates and then disappear into the woodwork; but these guys keep making
their programs better. That, and the many shareware and freeware programs
that they produce, is a clear indication to this user that these two
individuals are a unique entity in a dwindling group of Atari supporters.
John and Charles deserve a lot of credit for their continued support. It
was nice to hear that at the Chicago show, they received one of the three
MARC awards. They should receive even more.
Atari users had quite a number of Atari shows to visit this past
year. I hope that the shows continue to flourish into '92. Usually, by
this time we would know the dates for next year's Glendale and WAACE
shows. I hope these fine folks are just late announcing the dates! It's
still early to learn if LCACE will decide on another show. It appears
that Atari would like to co-sponsor three such shows in the future; per-
haps all three groups are weighing that possibility. Personally, I like
the "flavor" of each of the shows as long as Atari can provide relatively
equal support.
We've seen the rise and fall of a few Atari magazines over the past
year. STart, ST-Log, and Atari Journal are gone, but AtariUser is here.
Atari Explorer has been sporadic (again), but John Jainschigg says that
the mag is here to stay. I'm still waiting for my first issue since
subscribing at WAACE, however. But, Bob Brodie promised to send me the
issues I may have missed, so I guess I can't complain too much (thanks,
Bob!!). Current Notes, ST Informer, and Atari Interface Magazine are all
still doing an excellent job keeping us informed. All three of the
aforementioned magazines continue to improve the quality of their
magazines, and it shows! Congratulations to these fine people for their
continued dedication!
I guess that the only real sad notes to report during the past year
are the continued decline of dealers, developers and user groups. I guess
it's indicative of the lack of real growth of Atari that plays a major
role in this decline. With the decline of an existing userbase, and
little or no numbers of new users, it's easy to see why. News from the
Chicago show that there were quite a few non-Atari users in attendance
shows that promotion works. I hope that Atari realizes this and improves
their promotion campaign. It's obvious that they cannot just play up to
the existing userbase; they must find a way to attract new users. Without
new "blood", existing users are finding it difficult to survive. There
are a number of examples to prove this predicament. Read messages on the
online services and local bulletin boards. User group membership is
rapidly falling. Groups that used to have 40-50 members are lucky to have
half that now. Meeting attendance is even lower. In the recent issue of
Current Notes magazine, the Junkyard Pussycat (a.k.a. John Barnes) wrote
an interesting article called "The Fourth Criterion". I've told John
online that I think this month's column has to be one of his best. He
describes the decline of the userbase quite effectively, although its
focus leans toward putting on an Atari show. Nevertheless, the reasons
can be used to explain the decline for both problems. Let's hope Atari
can help provide the means for user groups to flourish once again.
Will this Christmas season will a good one Atariwise? It can be, for
the users. I didn't see much of a Christmas campaign this year (last year
we saw a big Lynx promotion). Economically, I guess it was a good
decision not to market, but somehow it doesn't seem Christmas without
seeing Atari advertised a little. Let's hope that the economy gets better
in 1992 (hey, it should, it's an election year!). Let's hope that 1992
brings an incredible amount of great news for Atari users everywhere.
Here's to '92!!
Until next time...
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A LITTLE OF THIS, A LITTLE OF THAT
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by Michael Lee
With Christmas next week, I might not have time to write another column
this year, so this might be the last time this year that I have to talk
to you. I want to wish everyone of you a very, happy holidays and thank
everyone that helped make this column as successful as it's been. With-
out the hundreds of people on-line who are willing to share their know-
ledge and experience with us, this column would be very empty.
Since this is the time of year for giving, how about giving something to
your favorite shareware authors? I know it's real easy to keep putting
off sending in that check for $10-$20 but there comes a time when we
need to stop procrastinating. If we want to continue to recieve good
shareware products, we need to pay for them.
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From Charles Johnson (CodeHead and Little Green Football Software) -
from the ST Roundtable on Genie...
Wow. I just checked the download count for ARC Shell 3.1 --and there
have been well over 600 downloads in just four days! That's great!
What's not so great: the number of names in my shareware database is
not even close to that amount...and that's for ALL my shareware
programs, not just ARC Shell. <SIGH> There sure are an awful lot of
you folks out there using ARC Shell without paying for it; and I'll
bet that a lot of you use the program almost every day.
How about it, guys? It's Christmas -- a great time to pay the ARC
Shell shareware fee, and get that off your conscience. I've gotta tell
you -- if shareware payments don't start picking up, version 3.1 will
very likely be the LAST version of ARC Shell. I simply do not have the
time to devote any more energy to this program, if the majority of the
people who use it won't bother to pay the very reasonable $15.00 fee.
If you'd like to see further support of ARC Shell, you have to do your
part too.
P.S. Thanks very much to those of you who _have_ done the honorable
thing and paid the shareware fee.
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Important news about the TEC, the new board being sold by Codehead
Software that will allow all of us older ST owners to use TOS 2.06 -
from the ST Roundtable on Genie...
A large number of people have asked us whether it's possible to use
the TEC with _two_ sets of ROMs, and switch between them.
Well...the answer is a big YES. All you need to do is get a switch and
a little bit of wire (which we'll also supply for a nominal charge).
It requires a little more soldering to install the TEC without
removing your existing ROMs; the TEC manual will describe this in
detail.
So if you're worried about compatibility with your existing software,
don't be .... with the TEC, you can have the best of both worlds.
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Do you need a CPU Case? Here's some info from R.SYKES2 - Cat. 4, Topic
36, Msg. 229 - from the ST Roundtable on Genie...
To all interested, TECH SPECIALITES has a CPU CASES FOR 520/1040
MEGAS. It comes with 150 watt power supply, a case for keyboard, and
fits 5 drives. It is 18w x 12d x 8d made and made of steel. It costs
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bus to connect CPUs to same drives
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Question about floppy drive speed from GEORGECYR on Delphi...
I downloaded and ran Disktest's speed.prg and discovered my B disk
drive (Atari sf354) was spinning at 305-306 rpm!!!! Way too fast. It
performs erradically at best, and now I know why!
How do I slow it down? Is there an adjustment screw inside? Help! Any
suggestions aprreciated. If there is a file here explaining how to
correct this, let me know! Thanks.
Reply from Norm Weinress on Delphi....
George, 305-306 rpm is only 2% fast, and the magnetic recording
techniques the floppies use can handle that. If your drive is erratic,
it is much more likely to be a problem of alignment. The drives can be
realigned, it's a mechanical process very similar to front-end
alignment on your car, but you have to find a qualified repair place
to do it. The good part is that it doesn't have to be an _Atari_
repair place...
But, it can also just be a dirty head, so try cleaning it before
seeking further repair.
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PageStream question from Michael Brandon on CIS...
As a steadfast user and proud owner of PageStream (Atari), as well as
an occasional user of Calamus, I have a question about fonts.
With the proliferation of font styles and formats, I have become
somewhat interested in the various font 'converters' available. My
question is this: What, if any, are the legal issues surrounding font
format conversions? Are there copyright laws involved in say,
converting DMF outlines to Calamus, or Calamus to Type1, etc.? What is
Soft-Logik's stand on this issue? Or is this an issue? Just curious.
Answer from Mike at Soft Logic...
Font conversion legalities are an issue, but are pretty simple. You
cannot take a commercial font in one format and convert it into
another. You can take a PD font in one format and convert it into
anything else you like, as long as you still give the original author
credit, if known, and explain in a readme that it is converted from
the original format. You can do the same thing with shareware as long
as you retain the original author's shareware fee notice and all
original files. (Unless the shareware notice specifically forbids
this. Some will say no conversion. Some will say the files cannot be
distributed in any other format than the current arc.)
You can convert commercial fonts into any format you like as long as
they are for your own use. For example, if there's a really neat
Calamus font you like, but can't get for PageStream, you could buy it
and convert it for your own use, as long as the converted and original
versions are only used on one machine.
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Some interesting misc. information from Bill Rehbock (Atari) from Cat.
14 - from the ST Roundtable on Genie...
Topic 7, Msg. 164...
TOS 3.06 and the 1.44 meg drives have absolutely nothing to do with
FCC Class B machines. The Class A machines with 3.06 and 1.44 meg
drives have been shipping since the Chicago show.
Right now, the expected schedule for delivery of Class B machines is
Mid December to early January. There is no functional difference bet-
ween the Class A & Class B machines.
By the way, I was just looking at my PLI (Peripheral Land Inc.) Atari/
Macintosh/Next 88 megabyte removeable Syquest drive, and guess what?
It's FCC Class A
Topic 18, Msg. 174...
The "real" FSM GDOS will have Atari Packaging. (Even if it is done
with Crayons :-) I might get my nephew to help, although we'd wind up
with Ninja Turtles on the packaging. <g>
(Other than the packaging, there is no difference between the disks
Goldleaf is publishing and the January issue)
Topic 3, Msg. 168...
...Has anybody mentioned the very favorable write up on Atari, ISD,
Softlogik, Codehead, and Goldleaf in the December issue of SEYBOLD
REPORTS ON DESKTOP PUBLISHING? It is a 6 page article (out of a 50
page issue) title "Atd, "Atari Makes Bold Push in U.S. Market" The
response so far has been very good.
This is a very good spring board for 1992 and proves that dollars
spent on marketing were dollars well spent. It makes the last year
worth it:-)
Topic 4, Msg. 21...
Just a few quick programming considerations so that software written
can keep in step with product developments...
1) Your user interface should always be made up of MOVEABLE windows
and a MENU BAR. Static Dialog boxes are bad, very bad, and really
really, really, irritate users on a multi-tasking system, because they
generally take control, and leave the user with no ability to get at
their other applications.
2) If the window is not being used specifically for status output
(such as the up/download status in STalker) or as a toolbox (the
toolbox in PageStream or Touch-Up), you should allow the user to
resize it, and supply the user with scrollers and arrows.
3) For consistency, you should have at least Desk-File-Edit menu items
in your menu bar. (unless completely unappropriate, of course :-)
(It's ok to replace "Desk" with the Fuji.)
4) The keyboard equivalents for Cut, Copy, Paste, and Print should
ALWAYS be <CONTROL> (NOT <ALT>) X,C,V, and P, respectively.
5) If your program has a status box for anything, like upload/download
or printing progress, it should be in a window, and not continuously
bracketed in a wind_update. Please use wind_update as little as
possible.
(TOS 2.xx/3.xx gives the user 7 windows, future versions will have no
limit)
6) Make no assumptions on what type of system the user will have. Be
able to deal with everything. There are many 24-bit color solutions in
the works, going up to 1280x960. (As far as I know, but I'm sure
bigger will be coming soon :-)
There will always be monochrome systems also, so it can't be ignored
either. The two third-party 24-bit VDI's that I've seen both
virtualize the normal 256 color TT palette. That is, once a palette
color is set, then used to draw with, changing the color of that
palette register does not change the color on the screen. This keeps
applications from doing palette-shift animation, (such as Neochrome)
but does not effect any other color-oriented applications in an
adverse way. (Calamus SL and PageStream and Chronos and Prism Paint
should all be just fine.)
I hope this points people a little bit better in the right direction.
There is a lot of neat stuff coming down the pipe from third parties
for the TT and MegaSTE in 1992. We would like to avoid the kind of
compatibility problems that people had when the Moniterm first was
introduced. When multitasking hits, there is no reason whatsoever that
applications written today shouldn't work immediately with it.
Topic 7, Msg. 172...
STBOOK has a CMOS version of Yamaha's PSG, the speaker is located
under the keyboard, around the <return> key.
Registered developers have all received the pin-out for the expansion
connector. It is a super-set of the MegaBUS that was in the MegaST2 &
MegaST4.
The first, logical thing that should appear for it should be a ST
Cartridge Port Adapter. I would expect somebody like Paul Wu from
Wuztek to jump on this right away. The adapter is totally passive;
just connect one one pin to the other. I was showing a prototype
adapter at the Chicago show and using it with the Migraph Hand
Scanner. The adapter is an absolute no-brainer for a third-party to
build. Originally, we had considered doing one, there were a few
developers that said that Atari should leave that market for third
parties to make money on, and we listened.
Other possibilities for the expansion port include: Networking, Color
Video expansion, and data aquisition.
Topic 11, Msg. 113...
The GDOS Laser Printer driver requires about 1.25 megs of free ram to
rasterize the page. You may have to trim back the number of installed
fonts and desk accessories. Wordflair itself is about 500K, not
including document size. I strongly suggest that you think about the 4
meg upgrade.
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Some comments about Falcon 3.0 from No.19 (Holobyte) - From Cat 9, Topic
34, Msg. 67 - from the ST Roundtable on Genie...
Unfortunately, there are 2 barriers for doing FALCON 3.0 on the Atari
ST. The biggest is just economics. It just would cost us too much to
develop FALCON 3.0 for the ST considering the size of the market. The
2nd problem is the technological problems. FALCON 3.0 requires a 12MHz
80286 minimum and takes up 11MB of hard disk space. To run
comfortably, you nee d a 20MHz 80386, 4MB RAM, a fast 16-bit VGA card
and a fast hard drive.
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From Dave Small (Gadgets by Small) - Cat. 4, Topic 44, Msg. 220 - from
the ST Roundtable on Genie...
Sorry for being quiet, folks. Mah kids brought home something extra
from school. (You parents out there know the true purpose of schools
is for kids to swap diseases to take home). Got sicker than a dog,
had to cancel on the Chicago show at last minute. Gee, almost got
myself stuck on an IV for dehydration.
SST is WAY closer than Real Soon Now. Probably if I had not have
gotten the current version of the biological warfare test virus it
would have shipped already.
Recently we got in hundreds of defective GAL chips from those good,
kind, virtuous raving idiots at National Semiconductor. They "spike"
unexpectedly. Our sales rep was good enough to let us know about this
well, complete disaster AFTER we had programmed and installed every
$%^#$%^$#%&*^&*%^&* one of the chips.
This entire problem is now past-tense. (Humorous: They just sent us
400 more of the bad ones ... AFTER notifying the world of how to
figure out if they were bad. I mean, like, duh. Let's walk down to the
stockroom of the distributor and pull the National parts.
Of course, all we did was check the chip's lot number and send them
back.
Lessee. Software is looking good; I have a couple minor changes to
make (it doesn't look "neat" enough in low res while booting, okay).
Manual is looking good, Sandy is digging out the final few typos in
it, even my Mom read through it and understood it -- and my mom prides
herself in not grokking computers. (She's a good draftsman, though).
The packaging is ready, the packaging *place* knows any ol' day now,
and I am NOT going to say Wednesday because if I do, Murphy's Law will
bite me, and something ELSE will have to be fixed.
Many an SST board hanging around the office begging to be shipped.
They've been tested. They murmur at night, keeping the dog awake.
I really look forward to this, because independent, skeptical people
getting their hands on the SST is what's needed to let readers know
it's real and does what we've always said it would do.
And I've already got the next software cut outlined!
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From Bill Loring - Cat. 4, Topic 6, Msg. 23 - from the ST Roundtable on
Genie...
I've got the Gravis MouseStick that you talked about. It is the only
controller I know of that will give you the kind of performance you
want (and need) in a flight simulator. The MouseStick is GREAT in
Falcon. I'm sure it will be good in FOTI, and F-19 as well.
I remember a controller for FS-II, that was quite expensive, but I
don't think it's around anymore... I forget the name.
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From Dan McNamee (Atari) - Cat. 9, Topic 47, Msg. 119 - from the ST
Roundtable on Genie...
According to the Maxis rep over in Scorpia, SimEarth for the ST is on
it's way. No release date set yet.
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About the Migraph hand scanner and other Migraph prorducts from MUSE -
Cat. 5, Topic 10, Msg. 4 - from the ST Roundtable on Genie...
The introductory special price for current customers (for the next 45
days) is $229.00 if you have a scanner. Suggested retail will be
$299.00 for the software alone, "half the price of comparable packages
for the PC." Similar savings are available for nearly all other
Migraph products.
Migraph OCR software utilizes an Omnifont engine. Additional
characters, sizes and typefaces can be "learned" by the software.
Files are saved as regular ASCII. IMG and TIFF files created with
other scanners can be imported into the program. Graphic regions can
be saved in IMG and TIFF formats.
Requires at least 2 megs and a hard disk. Runs on ST/Ste/Mega/TT. The
package requires a hardware dongle which will be eliminated with a
free update after 5000 units have been sold.
Migraph 1-800-233-3729 FAX 1-206-838-4702
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A mini-review of VROOOM from C.GEEROMS - Cat. 9, Topic 5, Msgs 1&3 -
from the ST Roundtable on Genie...
Here's my review of VROOM: Buy it. It's fantastic. No, really...the
best driving game on the ST bar none. Sound, graphics, control,
sensation of racing...it's all there folks. Arcade mode, competition
mode, modem link, mouse or joystick mode.
Manual is typically European and sparse. But WHAT a game!
Examples: realistic engine noises which aren't irritating; passing
noises, both cars and objects along the side of the road when you pass
a sign; zeplin moves across the sky; Mt. Fuji backgrounds; you hit
something and a wheel flies off your car; sometimes you hit a roadside
object and it throws you INTO THE AIR with a convincing engine revving
sound as you lose the friction with the ground. A totally realistic
feel to the whole game (didn't this guy do Stunt Driver?)
THIS IS THE ONE YOU'VE been waiting for. Lankhor makes it and it runs
on my Mega 4st with TOS 1.4. Digitized sounds, of course, no dinky
plinks here. Got the picture here? ...it's a really good game. and
I've only just started playing it...about $40 at a dealer near you,
hopefully. Also, on box "save option available for championship
races".
Like the guy in the gameboy commercial says when he learns that he's
missed his flight: "COOL!" and goes back to playing his game....
More about VROOM from Gary Gray....
This game is the best driving game I have ever seen. I have sold nine
copies. If I had a game like this to sell 3 years ago when the market
was so much better I could have sold 200 copies during the Christmas
period. As it is I will still sell 20. This is the hit of the season
make mo mistake. Heh I don't even play games. But with Vroom I was
hooked the minute they put the joystick in my hand. Won't work on the
TT. If it did it would be way too fast to deal with anyway. I ran it
on a early T16 equipped Mega, it had a harware switch. The game would
not load at 16 mghz but you could switch after the game was running. I
would suggest a lot of practice at 8 mghz before trying 16 Vroom.....
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Some information about the new FAIR-DINKUM products - Cat. 29, Topic 4,
msgs. 21-23 - from the ST Roundtable on Genie...
Crossword Creator II is a utility designed to allow the user to
quickly and easily create crossword puzzles <surprise> on any ST, STE,
or TT (in ST medium or high res mode). It meets a fairly wide audience
in that educators, newsletter editors, and puzzle nuts seem to enjoy
it.
You can create really large puzzles up to 30x20 in size and up to 100
words, though most puzzles will use far fewer words. Puzzles and
puzzle solutions may be saved in DEGAS PI2 or PI3 format and the
latest version may save clues as an ASCII text file for easy
incorporation into most desktop publishing apps (I'm sure that Calamus
accepts DEGAS files). Puzzles and solutions may be output to any
printer that supports screen dumps but we also include a FINAL quality
print mode for all Epson compatible printers...makes a _really_ nice
printout.
There is a wide range of options and features including manual or
automatic word placement, move/delete/undelete/relocate words,
symmetrical templating, interactive or a _fast_ word list entry
method, etc, etc. "Feature Laden", I believe, is an overused term
which is probably appropriate in this case.
We've tried to keep the price really low so most anyone could enjoy
it. Even so, we still include a 12 page, illustrated manual (I _hate_
software which makes me print my own documentation!).
Word Search Creator is the companion to Crossword Creator II.
WSC allows the user to easily create true word search type puzzles
interactively from the keyboard or via a _fast_ word list method (may
use the same word lists with Crossword Creator II as well). Puzzles
may be up to 24 x 13 in size with up to 100 words.
As in CWCII, you may save puzzles as DEGAS files for use in page
layout programs. Many other features are supported such as
relocate/delete/ undelete, etc. And of course, you may print puzzles
and solutions to most any printer and the solution puzzles feature
circled words, just like you find in the magazines and puzzle books.
As in CWCII, a comprehensive manual adds to the on-line help within
the program. And oh yes, both CWCII and WSC permit the user to input
most commands with the mouse OR keyboard.
Elementary school teachers should find Word Search Creator of great
help in encouraging students to study their vocabulary words. It can
also be used in Sunday School classes and one of our customers used it
for a class reunion icebreaker.
Ooops, I almost forgot...
PUZZLE PACK is a specially priced bundle of both CROSSWORD CREATOR II
and WORD SEARCH CREATOR for those who want both puzzle utilities.
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Until next week.....
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> STR Portfolio News & Information Keeping up to date...
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THE ATARI PORTFOLIO FORUM
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On CompuServe
by Judith Hamner 72257,271
2TIC.ZIP is a 2 player TicTacToe game by BJ Gleason. The game is
played on two Portfolios connected via their serial ports. BJ hints that
there may be more to come.
Jim Ness has uploaded two samples of source code for PowerBASIC.
PRIMES.BAS will find all prime numbers between 0 and 30000. COM.BAS is a
simple terminal program that demonstrates stripping of the 8th bit and
flow control. Robert Kelsoe also has uploaded terminal source code.
TERM.ZIP contains two programs designed to contact DTC DUAT which may be
modified for other uses.
Craig Davis has uploaded MET_IM.WKS, a worksheet for metric
conversions. RPN.ZIP is a reverse Polish Notation calculator by BJ
Gleason. Adrian Simonian has modified BJ Gleason's FTI.BAS for PowerBASIC.
FT2IN.COM adds, subtracts and figures area and volume. A number cruncher
of a different sort is VCARD.ZIP by BJ Gleason. This little program will
check the validity of a credit card number.
Card numbers are coded for Visa, Master Card, Am Ex. There is also a
routine for formattig designed to detect simple errors such as number
transpositions.
David Stewart has two versions of his banner program. BANNER.ZIP will
scroll small letters across the screen. BIGBAN.ZIP uses larger letters to
scroll.
The programming marathon is producing a variety of useful utility
programs. MUTE.ZIP by David Stewart lets you mute (or unmute) the
Portfolio from the command line rather than going through the menus.
DRIVES.COM by BJ Gleason will list the disk drives that are active on the
system. This will be useful to those who use several configurations.
WHEREI.COM is a small file finder uploaded by Marty Mankins. It will
accept wildcards. QT.COM is a time program with a different twist. It
spells out the current time in words.
A new version of PGfliX has been uploaded by Don Messerli. This
version includes the ability to set the number of repeats of the animation
sequence from the command line. Other features include embedded repeats
and random delays. PCSHOW.ZIP also by Don, will run PGC graphics on a
desktop PC.
BJ Gleason has created a program to compress text files and convert
them to .COM format for reading. PREAD.ZIP will help save disk space.
PBDOC.COM is a PBREAD example containing the docs for PBasic.
SPELL1.ZIP is a spell checker which runs on the Port. Uploaded by Pete
Bennett, this program uses an external dictionary file and thus it can be
customized by the user.
I would like to express my thanks to Don Messerli for filling in as
reporter while I was on vacation last week.
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> ZEPHYR STR Spotlight Is this for real?
====================
Zephyr/ST Plus - Friend or Foe
==============================
By Staff Editor: Lloyd E. Pulley, Sr.
Our last issue (STR749) contained a partial listing of product sources
for the ST. ST Report does not necessarily endorse any of the companies
that were contained in our product listing. The listing was just that,
a listing of product sources. It is up to each user to investigate each
product and company before investing their hard-earned money.
Included in our product list was a major ST dealer and mailorder house,
Zephyr/ST Plus computers. Zephyr/ST Plus advertises in many of the major
ST magazines (i.e., Ataru User, Current Notes). It has been brought to
our attention that Zephyr/ST Plus is not an "AUTHORIZED" Atari dealer and
that there have been a lot of complaints posted on Genie about Zephyr/
ST Plus.
The following is the Thread from the ST Roundtable on Genie about the
problems that some users experienced with Zephyr/ST Plus. This thread
is being printed as information only.
PLEASE BE ADVISED:
STReport offers no opinions in this matter and presents this
information strictly for informational purposes. STReport does not
encourage or discourage the readers from patronizing this, or any
other establishment so listed herein.
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Category 18, Topic 3 Wed Sep 25, 1991
G.ANDERSON42 [GA] at 22:45 EDT
Sub: Zephyr Computers
Has anyone encountered problems with Zephyr Computers? They are also
known as Microworld and ST Plus. If so, please share it with us here.
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Category 18, Topic 3
Message 1 Wed Sep 25, 1991
G.ANDERSON42 [GA] at 22:50 EDT
I have ordered a TT030 from Zephyr Computers (used to be Microworld) and
I have been given the royal runaround. First they said Atari wasn't
shipping. Then after I had already given them $1700, a rep told me they
have never handled the TT!! Will anyone help me out on this? Has anyone
else had problems with these people?
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Category 18, Topic 3
Message 4 Thu Sep 26, 1991
BOB-BRODIE [Atari Corp] at 20:12 EDT
Zephyr Computers does not purchase directly from Atari. The only way
that they would be able to purchase a TT030 is if they purchased it from
another Atari dealer, and then re-sold it to you.
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Category 18, Topic 3
Message 5 Thu Sep 26, 1991
R.STUTZMAN2 [RUSS] at 22:36 EDT
I also ordered a TT from Zephyr back in July. I used my VISA card which
they charged without shipping any product. I went around and around with
them until Sept 6. At that point I requested my credit reinstated and
was told as soon as Atari gave them their money back I would get mine
back. They told me next week which I've heard for two months. Every
phone call they said TT's next week. Well I filed papers with my bank
and they got my VISA money back.
If you paid by cash or check I think you better get a lawyer. I under-
stand they have charges of credit card fraud and suspicion of software
piracy already pending. I feel bad for anyone who has dealt with this
company. I mistakenly blamed Atari for not providing before I found out
the truth. I do hope things work out for you, if I can help just leave a
msg.
To All
STAY AWAY FROM ZEPHYR! ! ! ! ! bad news company.
It's a shame that companies like this are around and can continue to do
business.
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Category 18, Topic 3
Message 6 Fri Sep 27, 1991
D.BECKEMEYER [David @ BDT] at 03:09 EDT
While I have no evidence to back up their claims, I have had customers
tell me that Zephyr has a habit of charging to credit cards semi-
randomly. In other words, if you bought something from them, watch your
VISA/MC statements for charges to any of the Microworld companies!
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Category 18, Topic 3
Message 7 Sun Sep 29, 1991
DARLAH [RT~SYSOP] at 08:56 EDT
Remember that unless you can substantiate your claims, do not post.
Hearsay etc can be considered libelous unfortunately. I want to hear
about your personal problems/and or success with the company above.
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Category 18, Topic 3
Message 8 Sun Sep 29, 1991
D.BECKEMEYER [David @ BDT] at 14:44 EDT
Darlah, of course you can get sued whether the person has a leg to stand
or not. Just because you can substantiate your claims, doesn't mean you
won't get sued, but it MIGHT mean you won't lose the case. And you can
always counter-sue. Of course, there are seldom any "winners" in such
cases, except for the lawyers.
I have copies of the letters which I based the statements in my posts on
and I know who the people are that sent me those letters. I quoted
representations from those letters and I said so in the posts.
I do have direct experience with one Zephyr incident which I will
(perhaps stupidly) describe here.
It amounted to them selling a Micro C-Shell package ($49.95 MSRP) with
pirated MT C-Shell disks ($129.95 MSRP) as a legitimate MT C-Shell
package. The disks were hand labeled and serial numbers were incorrect
for an MT C-Shell package; parts of the MT C-Shell documentation were
completely missing. We had to give the customer the benefit of the
doubt, since it is unlikely that they were in on it. So Zephyr buys a
$49.95 MSRP product, copies a few disks, and sells to the unsuspecting
customer as a totally different $129.95 MSRP product. The customer has
to hassle trying register the pirated copy, and in the long run, I eat
the cost of it.
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Category 18, Topic 3
Message 11 Sun Sep 29, 1991
GRMEYER [Gordon Meyer] at 18:03 EDT
I spent a couple of months in the Bay Area, and visited the MicroWorld
store a few times while I was there. Lots of product, some stuff you
wouldn't find elsewhere, but a strange staff. My experience was one of
frustration and amazement that they managed to sell any hardware at all.
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Category 18, Topic 3
Message 13 Sat Oct 05, 1991
T.YURICK [T.YURICK] at 11:14 EDT
I had a bad experience with ST-Plus about two years ago. I called and
ordered a software package that they assured me was in stock. After
waiting about a month, I called and was told that it was backordered,
and that they would ship it RSN. I waited another two weeks and got the
same runaround.
When I told them that I wanted to cancel the order, they suddenly
weren't so friendly and told me that I couldn't cancel. I called my
credit card company (that had been billed and had paid ST-Plus already)
and told them that I never received the product. They told me that I was
not the only complaint that they had received about this particular
retailer, and that they would take care of it. The full amount was
credited on my next bill. Needless to say I haven't ever felt the urge
to patronize them again.
Just my own experience, but it does seem to be a common one.
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Category 18, Topic 3
Message 14 Mon Oct 07, 1991
E.KRIMEN [Ed Krimen] at 10:01 EDT
I was in Microworld/Zephyr/ST-Plus/Whatever-you-want-to-call-it a couple
of months ago for the first and only time. I wanted to see what the
store was like. After I asked him about TT030s and Mega STEs, Bill
Yerger, the owner, proceeded to explain to me that Atari was going out
of business, the TT was a piece of junk, and that 486s were the best
thing on the market. I looked around his store for a bit -- while he
told me Atari software was 10% off -- and then I left. What a scam.
Strangely, while he has written a two part article about the history of
Atari in the last couple of issues of Current Notes, his bio at the end
of the articles mention that he's in litigation with Atari. Wonders will
never cease.
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Category 18, Topic 3
Message 15 Mon Oct 07, 1991
ISD [Nathan] at 10:41 EDT
I suspect that it is entirely possible that Current Notes was unaware of
the reputation Mr. Yerger has earned for himself in some circles. Mr.
Yerger's store was cut off by Atari before they went the distribution
route. Now that they are again using distributors, Mr. Yerger can buy
from anyone that carries the product. I have heard it said that he is in
litigation with Atari but I have no idea if this is in fact correct.
Regardless, as we clearly see from the above posts, any "history of
Atari" by Mr. Yerger must be taken with a grain of salt. :-)
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Category 18, Topic 3
Message 21 Wed Oct 09, 1991
E.KRIMEN [Ed Krimen] at 10:09 EDT
Microworld is in Berserkeley, California on University Avenue.
Bill has a couple of big trucks with "Atari," the Fuji logo, and
"Microworld" splashed all over it.
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Category 18, Topic 3
Message 23 Sat Oct 12, 1991
BOB-BRODIE [Atari Corp] at 13:30 EDT
If you have any further questions about any of the issues concerning
Zephyr, I suggest that you contact Adron Beane, General Counsel of Atari
Corp. He can be contacted at our many corporate address: 1196 Borregas
Ave, Sunnyvale, CA 94089-1302
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Category 18, Topic 3
Message 24 Sun Oct 13, 1991
JNEWTON [john newton] at 22:21 EDT
Hmm...and to think I drove 30 miles through rush hour traffic to buy my
1040ste from these guys just so I could support a local dealer. They did
seem a little strange but I personally didn't have any problems with
them. I don't think I'll be back though.
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Category 18, Topic 3
Message 25 Sat Nov 23, 1991
E.AUGUSTINE at 08:42 EST
Well, guys, add my name to the rapidly-growing list of dissatisfied
Zephyr customers. To state my case in a nutshell, I ordered Deluxe Paint
ST and was charged $100+. I received my product in a box that looked
like it had been tampered with, wound up waiting 3 weeks for my credit
card order(!), and to make matters worse, discovered that I had been
charged twice for it! All Zephyr patrons, beware.
(By the way by, is anyone else as saddened as I that Computability has
stopped selling Atari software?)
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Category 18, Topic 3
Message 26 Mon Nov 25, 1991
P.CARMACK [CASMOCK] at 01:14 EST
Add me to the list of severly disatisfied customers, too. I ordered a TT
back in the summer and paid for it up front (like a fool!). I kept
getting the run around and excuse after excuse. They said Atari wasn't
shipping them TTs because the order had been screwed up or Atari was
going to ship them, and on and on.
I finally got fed up with them and decided to find out who they really
are. They are known by at least 3 different names (Zephyr, MircoWorld
and ST Plus). I also called Mike Groh(?) at Atari and found out that
they are NOT Atari authorized dealers and understand that they sell
pirated software. I also understand (heresay) that they are locked in a
lawsuit w/Atari and another computer company in the bay area (ATY
computers). Not to mention numerous credit fraud suits. Note: all of
this is heresay.
I do know that I won't EVER deal with them again. One time I called them
and got a secretary that said that they never were getting TT computers
and were not Atari dealers anymore. That's when I started to really
worry about my money. After several threats (mail fraud, ect.), they
finally coughed up a TT (runs nicely too, I might add).
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Category 18, Topic 3
Message 28 Sat Dec 14, 1991
P.LOUIE1 at 17:37 EST
An interesting event happened recently to this store. They seems to have
expanded into a second store! Now they have two stores in the same city
and this new store is only a couple of blocks from another Atari dealer.
I wonder where this place got the money to open up a new store with all
these complaints in this topic. Amazing...
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> X-Boot STR InfoFile
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This program has been designed to let the user regain control of the
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Running as the first program in the AUTO folder, it lets the user
independently control each AUTO folder program or desk accessory. XBoot
also lets you configure special setups, which allow you to customize the
system for different applications, all at the click of a button.
Unlike any other program of its type, XBoot has a true GEM-like
interface, which is available directly from the AUTO folder at bootup.
You work with a real mouse pointer, dialog boxes, scroll bars, buttons,
and alert boxes, just as if you were in a regular GEM program. Its
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o Complete GEM-like interface with dialog boxes, scroll bars, mouse,
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o Fully controlled from either the mouse or keyboard.
o Automatically runs in 80 column mode (on a TT color display, it runs
in TT Medium).
o Often used setups (for different purposes) can be saved as a SET.
o The execution order of AUTO folder programs and desk accessories can
be changed at will.
o The programs and accessories can be listed as sorted or unsorted.
o The system date and time can be set. It can even optionally prompt you
for this information whenever it runs.
o Even without a battery backed-up clock, maintains the correct time and
date after a system reset.
o Configuration of DESKTOP.INF & NEWDESK.INF options, such as key-click,
keyboard-repeat, RS-232 parameters, etc.
o Installation of any info file (like ASSIGN.SYS, DESKTOP.INF, etc.) can
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1196 Borregas Avenue 40 Westgate Parkway
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(408) 745-2000 (800) 253-0201
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ABCO Computer Consultants Gribnif Software
P.O. Box 6672 P.O. Box 350
Jacksonville, FL. 32221 Hadley, MA 01035
(800) 562-4037 (413) 584-7887
Full Line Dealer & Mass Storage NeoDesk-Turbo C-Stalker-Steno
Rising Star Computers Horizon Computers
P. O. Box 20038 695 S. Colorado Blvd., #10
Dayton, OH 45420-0038 Denver, CO 80222
(800) 252-2787 (303) 777-8080
Full Line Dealer Authorized Atari Dealer
A & D Software ISD Marketing Inc.
226 NW 'F' Street 2800 John St., Unit #15
Grants Pass, OR 97526 Markham, Ontario, CA *L3R 2W5
(503) 476-0071 (416) 479-1880
Universal Item Selector Calamus, DynaCadd etc...
Alpha Systems L & Y Computers
1012 Skyland 13644c Jefferson Davis H'wy.
Macedonia, OH 44056 Woodbridge, Va. 22191
(216) 467-5665 (703) 494-3444
16 and 8 bit Support Atari products and Software
ASDE Inc. Maxwell CPU
151 Rue Jolicoeur 2124 W. Centennial Dr.
Hull, Quebec Canada J8Z1C8 Louisville, CO 80027
(819) 770-7681 (303) 666-7754
Geography Tutor etc... Expose - Silhouette
Atari Interface Magazine Step Ahead Software Inc.
3487 Braeburn Circle 496-A Hudson Street Suite F39
Ann Arbor, MI 48108 New York City, N.Y. 10014
(313) 973-8825 (212) 627-5830
Atari Magazine and Monthly Disk Tracker ST
B&C ComputerVisions Mars Merchandising
3257 Kifer Road 1041b St. Charles Rd.
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(408) 749-1003 (817) 589-2950
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Branch Always Software Lantech
14150 N.E. 20th St. PO Box R
Bellevue, WA 98007 Billerica, MA 01821
(206) 885-5893 (508) 667-9191
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2021 The Alameda Suite 290 200 S. 333rd St.
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(408) 243-6950 (206) 838-4677
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Computer Garden MicroTyme
WestSide Mall 4049 Marshall Road
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(800) 456-5689 (800) 255-5835
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Carter Graphics & Computers MS Design
914 W. Sunset Blvd. 611 West Illinois
St. George, UT 84770 Urbana, Il. 61801
(801) 628-6111 (217) 384-8469
Atari Products Custom Font Designs
CodeHead Software Prospero Software
P.O. Box 74090 100 Commercial St.
Los Angeles, CA 90004 Suite 306 Portland, ME 04101
(213) 386-5735 (207) 874-0382
Software Products "Codekeys" Software Products
Comput-Ability Rio Datel Computers
P.O. Box 17882 3430 E. Tropicana Ave., #65
Milwaukee, WI 53217 Las Vegas, NE 89121
(414) 357-8181 (800) 782-9110
Atari Products & Distributor International Products
CompuServe Information Service San Jose Computers
P. O. Box 20212 640 Blossom Hill Road
Columbus, OH 43220-0212 San Jose, CA 95123
(614) 457-0802 (408) 224-8575
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(217) 337-0674 (800) 468-3472
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Debonair Software Sideline Software
P.O. Box 521166 840 NW 57th Court
Salt Lake City, UT 84152 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33309
EL CAL The Math Machine (305) 771-9035
Atari Support Products International Software Source
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P.O. Box 1197 P.O. Box 5257
Berkeley, CA. 94701 Winter Park, FL 32793
(800) 759-1110 (407) 657-4611
Atari Support Products TurboST "The Software Blitter"
Double Click Software ST Informer
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Houston, TX 77274 Grants Pass OR 97526
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Software Developer Monthly Newspaper
Duggan DeZign Inc. Computer Publications Unltd.
16 Oak Ridge Dr. P.O. Box 2224
West Warwick RI 02893 Arvada, CO. 80001
(401) 826-2961 (303) 423-6805
"Designs with Fun in Mind!" ST Connection Shareware
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P.O. Box 578 243 N. Hwy. 101, Ste 11
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(508) 475-3810 (619) 792-6511
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(415) 461-5703 (714) 753-9253
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180 N. Hazeltine Avenue P.O. Box 45
Campbell, OH. 44405-1024 Girard, OH. 44420
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> STReport's Editorial Page "Saying it like it is."
From the Editor's Desk
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Ole St. Nick will be making the rounds a few days from now. The one
thing I always enjoyed watching was the glow of anticipation on the
children's faces. Undoubtedly, the warmth from their expressions is far
more a delight than any roaring hearth. While all of us are enjoying the
pleasantries of the holiday season, I hope we find a moment or two to
consider the plight of the men, women and children caught up in the
vicious cycles the economy has been taking. When one finds folks without
a roof over their heads who, just a scant 6 months ago, were seemingly in
relatively good shape financially speaking it gets scary .. real scary.
These times remind me of the horror stories my father told me about the
so-called "Great Depression". While many of us are in good shape, it
would be neat if we made it our business to find a way to lighten the
heavy hearts of the homeless in each of our communities. This year is
unique in that there are many more families with children involved.
I know, you're thinking this isn't Ralph talking, but it is. I swore
to myself that I'd never allow STR to get into "real politics" but this
year is a cornerstone in world history. Aside from the wars around the
globe, Desert Storm, the collapse of USSR, the admitted failure of
Communism and of course global warming many families in the USA will long
remember being "Bushwhacked".
Christmas 1991 is going to be long remembered for many things. In
this household, it will mainly be remembered as a golden opportunity to
begin thinking about the needs of others. Brotherly love and goodwill to
all men. Try it folks... you'll find its the only way to real success.
Merry Christmas to one and all,
Ralph......
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14-DEC-1991 03:58:53.32
NEWMAIL
From: BOS1A::ATARIPOWER7
To: RMARIANO
CC:
Subj: Tos 2.06
Would you please post a complete listing of the advantages of TOS
2.06... Of greatest interest to me is:
Does it fix the Flow Control (RTS/CTS) problem?
Will it directly support 1.44 meg floppies, and does it offer expanded
formatting options, such as up to 83 tracks and perhaps 11, but at least
10 sectors per track?
I appreciaty your help, and thanks for your great newsletter!!!
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Conf : STReport Online
Msg# : 17301/17305 Lines: Extended Read: 1
Sent : Dec 11, 1991 at 11:40 AM
To : Bill Merik
From : PAT MCDERMOTT at The SAGE BBS!
Subj : Re: <17158> ST Software
In reply to:
- ST software is not be coming out in the quantities that stuff for the
- MAC and DOS boxes (don't call 'em IBMs, less than one in five sold is
- made for big blew) but it is coming out, and it's generally better and
- cheaper than stuff for other OSes. Do you ever read the STReport
- magazine on this base? Tucked in among all the non-Atari news and
- press releases are occasional announcements about ST software. Just
- look! And then please go away. We more than enough people on here who
- get their kicks out of announcing their preferences to us like they're
- doing us a favour. Do you think ST users
I have found a way to solve that problem. I keep getting offers for
good software. But it is all PC. The publishing companies are
persistant, so I devised a way to get to them. I received an offer for a
legal advice program last month. I sent the offer back (in its postage
prepaid envelope) with a letter stating that I need their offering and
would love to purchase it as soon as they come out with an ATARI ST
version. They have since sent me three more offers on different software.
And each time I send it back telling them I will the ATARI ST version when
they publish it. Not only does it hopefully garner ATARI ST support BUT
it hits the DOS and MAC only publishers right where it hurts, THE WALLET.
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Item 0029156 91/12/15 02:06
From: J.RISKIN Jacob Riskin
To: ST.REPORT Ralph F. Mariano
Sub: Phantom Typest
In your last issue of STreport (749). A user wrote about the problem with
STalker and other programs that use GEM causing keyboard problem while
uploading. I personally have a TT with TOS 3.01 and the bug has NOT been
fixed and it gets UNBEARABLE at high speed! STalker 3.0 works great on a
TT at high speed and with two modems I like being able to D/L on my HST a
and call a local Chat board to talk at the same time. Unfortunately thats
almost impossible to do because if you touch the mouse it loses the
complete mouse messages and what you end up with is your system pinging to
death or sending many ESC characters. Unfortunately I'm not sure if this
even can be ever fixed. But it definately is a limitation. I would
appreciate it if you brought up this issue and find out where Atari truly
stands on this point.
Another similar and probably related point is that ALL ST/STe/MSTe/TT
computers lose time while uploading. The system time "skips beats" and
that is why you will get weird looking CPS rates like 2200CPS, when the
TOS only supports 19.2K which translates into 1920CPS max. (1 start bit, 1
stop, and 8 data bits = 10bits, divide 19,200/10 = 1920CPS).
Please try and address these important issues.
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Category 36, Topic 5
Message 30 Sat Dec 14, 1991
M.CARTER9 [Mac] at 23:06 EST
T-Bird knows what he is talking about! ERIDDLE and I worked (past tense)
for one of the biggest Atari dealers on the East Coast and have been
spreading the "Word of Atari" for about 10-15 years. I finally got tired
of talking to myself until I turned blue, so I did like everyone else and
sold my TT030 Graphics Workstation and all other one million pieces of
Atari equipment and bought and IBM. We know all the "SAD" stories from
Atari, and I just got tired of defending them without getting any help
form Atari to back me up. The only thing I own now is the LYNX which is
doing good. I hope Atari makes it big one day, but I doubt if that day
will be in my lifetime.
Mac Carter @ Home
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15-DEC 01:16 8-bit Atari
RE: TC8 Update? (Re: Msg 33772)
From: 2LYON To: TO: DATQUE (NR)
I am pleased that the chicago fest was profitable enough for you to
make trans & expenses. It was pretty slow in the 8-bit room. We were
wondering how you vendors did. The fest was successful in spite of many
difficulties, but was not profitable for LCACE.
Ask the officers in six months if they want to sponsor another Chicago
Fest.
Yes, I'm still a beginner 8-bitter, but it seems to be the most active
sig at our monthly meetings. Lawrence Sr is a good sig sys, and most
helpful to anyone. Dick. 2 Lyon. LCACE.
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> STReport CONFIDENTIAL "Reporting ABOUT Atari...not FOR Atari!"
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* "Rumors - Tidbits - Predictions - Observations - Hot Tips" *
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The Beat Goes On... Rumors coming out of Europe are not very
complimentary of Sunnyvale ... seems the German subsidiary is down
to a very lean crew. This move seems to have sent shock waves throughout
the European Community. How extensive? Time will tell.
It appears the "wizard of the telephone" is still busy at work. (this
individual taught STR how to use the phone effectively) A certain mid-
atlantic states dealer received a call from this "wizard" griping about an
article that appeared in a particular show program. It seems this program
had a few articles in it that were not very complimentary of Atari and
ruffled a few feathers among the whigs at Atari. They didn't like what
they read. The truth can, at times, be ugly but quite helpful. Perhaps
Atari needs to rethink its objectives. If the folks out east saw things
the way they wrote about them, then Atari needs to re-work its image
making process. The vendettas, politics and schemes must be brought to a
screeching halt before irreparable harm is done to the overall Atari
Community. STReport has repeatedly offered to 'bury the hatchet' but it
seems we no sooner do so then another caustic comment appears in a post
somewhere. Once again, in the true spirit of cooperation and a hope of
building toward the future, we offer the olive branch at this time of the
year when we celebrate the birth of the Prince of Peace.
Time for an atta-boy! Seems a fellow needed a motherboard for his
mega4, when he called Atari for one they had none. Instead they offered
him an exceptional deal on a MSTE4/50. To make a long story short,
Atari's Greg Pratt intervened to expedite matters, and the customer was
pleased as punch with his new machine.
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